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Old 06-23-2017, 01:07 PM   #81
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To me the guys likely available at #7 look similar to the guys in the 10-12 range in last years strong draft. That said I haven't bought as many draft publications as I do when the Flames are picking higher
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The $6.5M in cap space this opens up for the Rangers by shedding Stepan's contract is quite valuable too.
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The $6.5M in cap space this opens up for the Rangers by shedding Stepan's contract is quite valuable too.
I expect that might go too Kevin Shattenkirk
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Rangers GM Jeff Gorton said Arizona insisted on Raanta in the trade to get the trade done. He thinks there is a robust backup goalie market.
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The DeAngelo attitude problems are very real. Has happened with him multiple times.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/sar...232527684.html

https://www.fiveforhowling.com/2017/...e-of-officials
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I would rate the value of Stephan and Raanta as basically zero, due to the negative value of Stephan.
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I would rate the value of Stephan and Raanta as basically zero, due to the negative value of Stephan.
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I would rate the value of Stephan and Raanta as basically zero, due to the negative value of Stephan.
A centre (most important position up front) at his age who is only slightly overpaid does not have negative value. That's BS
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Chayka is building a nice team for Quebec just like Quebec did for Colorado. What goes around comes around.
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The DeAngelo attitude problems are very real. Has happened with him multiple times.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/sar...232527684.html

https://www.fiveforhowling.com/2017/...e-of-officials
In his pre-draft interviews with the press, he seemed like a real jackass.
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Wow rangers got fleeced.
I dont see that, they lost a backup goaltender they dont need and $6.5M cap hit for a 55 point player in exchange for 7th overall and a potentially troublesome 21 year old (arent they all! Damned Millenials) who was drafted 19th OA.

One of the things that I think tends to get overlooked is that playing for the Rangers is not like playing for the Coyotes, maybe the organization thinks that they can turn him around.
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A centre (most important position up front) at his age who is only slightly overpaid does not have negative value. That's BS
He's about a career 50-55 point guy getting serious PP time, such that he averages about 35 ES points per season.

I can remember not too long ago that described Stajan.

He's got 5 years left at $6.5M.

Meh, I'd pass on him, much less giving up the 7OA for him.

We saw what Vegas thought about getting term in the expansion draft, getting 1st round picks to take on term.

Now we have Arizona giving up a 7OA to take on a large term, albeit for a better player.

NYR were anxious to get rid of Stephan, Arizona could have done much better.

NYR will end up with Shattenkirk and the 7OA out of this.

Cap space is very valuable, and Arizona failed to account for this.
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He's about a career 50-55 point guy getting serious PP time, such that he averages about 35 ES points per season.

I can remember not too long ago that described Stajan.

He's got 5 years left at $6.5M.

Meh, I'd pass on him, much less giving up the 7OA for him.

We saw what Vegas thought about getting term in the expansion draft, getting 1st round picks to take on term.

Now we have Arizona giving up a 7OA to take on a large term, albeit for a better player.

NYR were anxious to get rid of Stephan, Arizona could have done much better.

NYR will end up with Shattenkirk and the 7OA out of this.

Cap space is very valuable, and Arizona failed to account for this.
Arizona is never going to use all of their cap space, so if they have a guy who might be a bit overpaid, it's not the end of the world.

They got two good players for a pick. It's a high pick, but the draft isn't good at the top end this year.

They took some risk that they lost out on a star at 7, but odds are that whoever they take at 7th won't be a better player than Stepan.
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The DeAngelo attitude problems are very real. Has happened with him multiple times.

https://www.fiveforhowling.com/2017/...e-of-officials
Corey Perry did that in the playoffs this year and got nothing.
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Arz needs Hartley now to roll in and get that team pointed the right way. Nice batch of trades by the yotes today.
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Arizona is never going to use all of their cap space, so if they have a guy who might be a bit overpaid, it's not the end of the world.

They got two good players for a pick. It's a high pick, but the draft isn't good at the top end this year.

They took some risk that they lost out on a star at 7, but odds are that whoever they take at 7th won't be a better player than Stepan.
I agree with this. My point is that they didn't need to pay that price, as the rangers were very anxious to move Stephan.
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Arz needs Hartley now to roll in and get that team pointed the right way. Nice batch of trades by the yotes today.
I doubt a Corsi fanboy hires Hartley for his first coach
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I agree with this. My point is that they didn't need to pay that price, as the rangers were very anxious to move Stephan.
You don't seem to understand that just because a team wants to make some cap room doesn't mean they're going to give away good players for free. Stepan probably wasn't the only option to be moved. And ARI probably wasn't the only team interested in Stepan

How can you assume his value should be lower? You can't and don't know that so stop pretending you do. Stepan's market value is what he was just moved for. That's the best indicator of his value.
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You don't seem to understand that just because a team wants to make some cap room doesn't mean they're going to give away good players for free. Stepan probably wasn't the only option to be moved. And ARI probably wasn't the only team interested in Stepan

How can you assume his value should be lower? You can't and don't know that.
But I don't believe Stephan is that good. A first line centre getting 50-55 points with lots of PP time is a recipe for losing, much like Stajan was for Calgary when he was a first line centre.

That production does not equate to winning anything other than being a marginal playoff team.

At a $6.5M cap hit for 5 more years, I don't call that a valuable package.

And I think that is where we'll have to agree to disagree.
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