2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ComixZone]

Trading first round picks for a player that not only fills the organization's biggest current roster gap, and also fits the age range where he can be here for the next half decade+ is not going "full Sutter".

Our prospect pool is not bad as-is, and it's time this team starts to compete. Just like how LA made their big moves to push them over the top, our time is near.

That said - I would be surprised to see Tree deal two 1st round picks, but if he does it won't take me much to get on board, the hope would have to be that something additional is coming back (a 2nd or something)

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by New Era

Nawww, Smith hasn't been overly good for a couple of seasons now. Elliott was the better goaltender over that period and we know how that turned out. The age of Smith is showing. Personally, having to watch the Coyotes a fair bit, I was pretty choked when the Flames made the deal. I don't believe his talent can cash the checks his reputation is writing. I expect Calgary to be looking for another goaltender come Christmas, or hoping one of the kids can take the reigns by that point. Treliving likely got blinded by his history with the a player rather than looking at what he currently is. This happens all the time, even around here, and it usually ends up in disappointment.

I'd like to think Smith is overtly used to being bogged down in his own zone playing a Tippett trap that forces a ton of shots from the perimeter and thus relies heavily on quick instincts and rebound control, something Elliot sorely lacked and expected his D to do it all for him.

Maybe Smith becomes complacent knowing he has competent defense in front of him or maybe his job becomes that much easier and he shines. I prefer the latter POV - he makes the Flames much better.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I could see something like this happening...

To NYI:
CGY 2017 1st round pick
CGY 2018 1st round pick

To CGY:
2017 2nd round pick
Travis Hamonic

This would be one of those "Id drive Treliving to the airport myself" type of trades. Yuck

[Ashasx]

Elliotte Friedman‏ @FriedgeHNIC
A lot of rumblings today that CHI and ARIZ are working on a deal that would allow the Blackhawks to move up to number 7 in the draft

Might be a tough week for Coyotes fan

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I simply can't see the price being equal to what we paid for Hamilton which I believe your proposal is.

The talk on the FAN was the Islanders did not want to take back salary so looking for picks and prospects. I do think the 16th pick is in play but I doubt anything beyond that.

The Flames core is young so they could maybe get away with dealing their first but not multiple firsts.

Which is why moving Fox would be such a bad idea. The Flames gave up a 1st to get Hamilton, which created a hole in the prospect depth. They got lucky with Kylington falling to the 2nd, almost making up for that. The Flames then managed to find a player in Fox that would now be a consensus first rounder in a re-draft, pretty much plugging that hole in top end prospects. To lose two first round picks then puts a ton of pressure to find other gems to step up. I think you need at least two solid prospects with serious NHL potential at every position.

C - Jankowski, Dube, Lindstrom (?)
LW - Shinkaruk, Klimchuk, Mangiapane (?)
RW - Poirier, Tuulola (?), Smith (?)
LD - Kylington, Ollas-Mattsson
RD - Andersson, Fox
G - Gillies, Parsons, MacDonald

The Flames system has some gaps to close and need those high picks.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Elliotte Friedman‏ @FriedgeHNIC
A lot of rumblings today that CHI and ARIZ are working on a deal that would allow the Blackhawks to move up to number 7 in the draft

Might be a tough week for Coyotes fan

some rumblings that the Coyotes may be taking on Hossa's contract too

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Trading first round picks for a player that not only fills the organization's biggest current roster gap, and also fits the age range where he can be here for the next half decade+ is not going "full Sutter".

Our prospect pool is not bad as-is, and it's time this team starts to compete. Just like how LA made their big moves to push them over the top, our time is near.

That said - I would be surprised to see Tree deal two 1st round picks, but if he does it won't take me much to get on board, the hope would have to be that something additional is coming back (a 2nd or something)

Yeah, that's essentially my line of thinking as well. A prospect pipeline is great to have, but Hamonic would essentially be a fully developed prospect ready to step into a top 4 role on a great value deal with 3 years remaining on said deal.

That's why his value is expected to be higher than normal, it's a pretty unique scenario, most teams wouldn't be entertaining trading a player like that. He wants to play near home, I think Treliving wants to capitalize on that..

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Elliotte Friedman‏ @FriedgeHNIC
A lot of rumblings today that CHI and ARIZ are working on a deal that would allow the Blackhawks to move up to number 7 in the draft

Might be a tough week for Coyotes fan

[Murph]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

some rumblings that the Coyotes may be taking on Hossa's contract too

If the Hawks are moving up and the Coyotes are taking on Hossa, there must be a significant piece going to the Coyotes.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

some rumblings that the Coyotes may be taking on Hossa's contract too

It really upsets me that the Coyotes exist for the purposes of helping other franchises out of their binds.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Trading first round picks for a player that not only fills the organization's biggest current roster gap, and also fits the age range where he can be here for the next half decade+ is not going "full Sutter".

Our prospect pool is not bad as-is, and it's time this team starts to compete. Just like how LA made their big moves to push them over the top, our time is near.

That said - I would be surprised to see Tree deal two 1st round picks, but if he does it won't take me much to get on board, the hope would have to be that something additional is coming back (a 2nd or something)

I totally disagree. We should be thinking about now and the future every year. Just keep filling the pool. No 1st, 2nd or 3rd would be terrible for a team like this. We don't need 3 first rounders, but we should be trying to get a player or two per draft to stay competitive for a long time. Trading the 1st should be a non starter after already burning the 2nd and 3rd.

[Muta]

Chicago also seems to weasel their way out of precarious scenarios somehow.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Trading first round picks for a player that not only fills the organization's biggest current roster gap, and also fits the age range where he can be here for the next half decade+ is not going "full Sutter".

Except you're not getting a player for half a decade. You're getting a player for the remainder of his contract. Hamonic and Brodie would come due at the same time. You are likely going to lose one or possibly both in free agency.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Which is why moving Fox would be such a bad idea. The Flames gave up a 1st to get Hamilton, which created a hole in the prospect depth. They got lucky with Kylington falling to the 2nd, almost making up for that. The Flames then managed to find a player in Fox that would now be a consensus first rounder in a re-draft, pretty much plugging that hole in top end prospects. To lose two first round picks then puts a ton of pressure to find other gems to step up. I think you need at least two solid prospects with serious NHL potential at every position.

C - Jankowski, Dube, Lindstrom (?)
LW - Shinkaruk, Klimchuk, Mangiapane (?)
RW - Poirier, Tuulola (?), Smith (?)
LD - Kylington, Ollas-Mattsson
RD - Andersson, Fox
G - Gillies, Parsons, MacDonald

The Flames system has some gaps to close and need those high picks.

You seem stuck in rebuilding thinking. We're exiting the rebuild now and entering our contending phase. Now is the time you can use some (not all) of your picks/prospects to plug the last major holes on the team.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by New Era

Nawww, Smith hasn't been overly good for a couple of seasons now. Elliott was the better goaltender over that period and we know how that turned out. The age of Smith is showing. Personally, having to watch the Coyotes a fair bit, I was pretty choked when the Flames made the deal. I don't believe his talent can cash the checks his reputation is writing. I expect Calgary to be looking for another goaltender come Christmas, or hoping one of the kids can take the reigns by that point. Treliving likely got blinded by his history with the a player rather than looking at what he currently is. This happens all the time, even around here, and it usually ends up in disappointment.

Elliott was also playing behind one of the best defensive structured teams in the league.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

Except you're not getting a player for half a decade. You're getting a player for the remainder of his contract. Hamonic and Brodie would come due at the same time. You are likely going to lose one or possibly both in free agency.

Can't project that with salary cap growth etc., but even so - that's on Tree to figure out a way to make it work. Doesn't seem impossible to me.

And also, what are we trying to build? A Stanley Cup team, or a mid-range team that we can keep together for a long time but never win the cup. At some point, it's time to push. Look at our roster - all major spots are filled, we're entering our time to push.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You seem stuck in rebuilding thinking. We're exiting the rebuild now and entering our contending phase. Now is the time you can use some (not all) of your picks/prospects to plug the last major holes on the team.

No, I'm stuck in sustaining mode. You need a constant flow of talent in the pipeline in a salary cap world. That is how you afford big ticket players while competing for the cup. Without those young guys stepping in an being able to contribute throughout the lineup, and not in spot fourth line roles, you do not have a hope of winning a cup let alone sustaining a contender.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Can't project that with salary cap growth etc., but even so - that's on Tree to figure out a way to make it work. Doesn't seem impossible to me.

And also, what are we trying to build? A Stanley Cup team, or a mid-range team that we can keep together for a long time but never win the cup. At some point, it's time to push. Look at our roster - all major spots are filled, we're entering our time to push.

I think we're two years away from that. Until Bennett steps up and proves he's a scorer, and Tkachuk shows he has the consistency throughout the season, we aren't there. I also think the promotion of Jankowski and one of the defensive kids will make our window two years out. I think the incoming youth will be very important to the success over the next two seasons.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

No, I'm stuck in sustaining mode. You need a constant flow of talent in the pipeline in a salary cap world. That is how you afford big ticket players while competing for the cup. Without those young guys stepping in an being able to contribute throughout the lineup, and not in spot fourth line roles, you do not have a hope of winning a cup let alone sustaining a contender.

Sustain what? You enter "sustaining mode" after you actually win something.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

Which is why moving Fox would be such a bad idea. The Flames gave up a 1st to get Hamilton, which created a hole in the prospect depth. They got lucky with Kylington falling to the 2nd, almost making up for that. The Flames then managed to find a player in Fox that would now be a consensus first rounder in a re-draft, pretty much plugging that hole in top end prospects. To lose two first round picks then puts a ton of pressure to find other gems to step up. I think you need at least two solid prospects with serious NHL potential at every position.

C - Jankowski, Dube, Lindstrom (?)
LW - Shinkaruk, Klimchuk, Mangiapane (?)
RW - Poirier, Tuulola (?), Smith (?)
LD - Kylington, Ollas-Mattsson
RD - Andersson, Fox
G - Gillies, Parsons, MacDonald

The Flames system has some gaps to close and need those high picks.

I feel the Flames have drafted amazingly in the second round the last 2 years. Kylington, Andersen, Dube, Parsons are all top 10 prospects in the organization. The Flames have Gaudreau for 5 more years before he bolts or likely costs $8-$10M per.

I think they should start putting their chips towards the middle and going for it.

[Flash Walken]

lol, the flames have basically just had the same luck the oilers have had, high first round picks turning out, and some people act like there has been a scouting and drafting transformation in Calgary.

THe flames just gave up a 2nd/3rd round pick for a goalie for the second year in a row.

They can't just keep going out and dealing away picks and prospects without it hurting the actual roster.