[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Flames discussing 1st, pick, and prospect for Hamonic

[Caged Great]

Personally if I had my pick of the litter for #4 and #5, it would be Stone and Girardi, with Franson and Del Zotto being close runners up. If you could get them under 7, that would be awesome.

Here's how the team stacks up as of right now with Ferland, Bennett, and Lazar as educated guesses (RFA)

Gaudreau (6.75)-Monahan (6.375)-Free Agent
Tkachuk (1.775)-Backlund (3.575)-Frolik (4.3)
Ferland (1.5)-Bennett (2.7)-Brouwer (4.5)
Lazar (1.0)-Stajan (3.125)-Jankowski (.925)
Bouma (2.2)
Hamilton (.613)

Total - 39.338 - 1 Spot to Fill

Giordano (6.75) - Hamilton (5.75)
Brodie (4.65) - Free Agent
Free Agent - Kulak (0.75)
Andersson (.863)

Total - 18.763 - 2 spots

Smith (4.25)
Free Agent

Total - 4.25 - 1 spot

62.351 Million + 1.051 Raymond buyout - 63.402

Cap is 75 mil, so 11.6 million to fill all of that. Stone at 3.5-4 and #5 in the 2.5-3 range would eat most of it up so we could only afford a guy like Versteeg for the 1st line RW (or roll Ferland there). Buying out Stajan and Bouma would save some $ now, but would cost some next year. Not sure if it's worth it. Even re-assigning them to the farm and allowing Chiasson and Janko to take their spots with the cap hits remaining basically flat would be an overall upgrade and would provide injury depth at least.

It's going to be tough to fit anything more than what the current lineup is in there. Going the route of having a great 1-7 defense is probably the best way of going about things even if the Flames lack a true #1 RW.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames can add Hamonic they would have their top 4 locked up for 3 years at slightly under $21M per. Considering the age of the group 3 of the 4 are in their prime and the other is an elite number 1.

If Smith plays like a number 1 and Jihnny gets back to being a top 10 scorer the Flames could be very good next year

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Defensively they are already pretty good if they get decent goaltending.... we saw that last season.

Obviously a strong partner for Brodie is a must have. Beyond that though they can muddle through with cheaper journeymen or some of the kids on the farm.

They need to add some offense somehow though. Whether its a pure offensive guy up front or getting some more scoring from the blueline (which is hard to count on)

This formula was shown to be the case pretty clearly in the SC final. Niether team was top 10 in GA last year....both were in the top 10 in GF however.

Ugh no. The Flames have been a very good offensive team for years. Besides, having 5 very good defencemen means less time spent in our own zone. Which means more goals for and less against. We do not need a top end winger at all right now.

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Frolik
Ferland
Lazar
Brouwer
Versteeg?
Chiasson

That's a good mix of skill, speed and grit. Games are won with centers, defence, and goaltending. Adding a scoring winger is both costly and improves the team the least. Add to the fact that either Jankowski or Bennett could be on the wing next year and it's easy to see why wingers aren't priority

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Ugh no. The Flames have been a very good offensive team for years. Besides, having 5 very good defencemen means less time spent in our own zone. Which means more goals for and less against. We do not need a top end winger at all right now.

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Frolik
Ferland
Lazar
Brouwer
Versteeg?
Chiasson

That's a good mix of skill, speed and grit. Games are won with centers, defence, and goaltending. Adding a scoring winger is both costly and improves the team the least. Add to the fact that either Jankowski or Bennett could be on the wing next year and it's easy to see why wingers aren't priority

Is there a 30 goal scorer in that entire group besides Gaudreau?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think any boost the Flames might need scoring should come from within. While Tkachuk was a nice surprise and Backlund had a career year, Bennett, Gaudreau, Brouwer, and Brodie were all clearly not at their offensive best. The Flames were also a top-ten scoring team from January–April when they were playing their best hockey of the year—it seems like a reasonable expectation without the addition of outside help.

Maybe.

I just dont see Bennett ever being a big scorer in this league, though i hope i am dead wrong on that.

Brouwer is what he is...and even if he gets back to 20ish, thats not enough for the team.

Brodie looks to me that as long as he is forced to play on the left side he wont match his offensive numbers of a couple years back.

As for Johnny....yeah he should be a difference maker but he is a playmaker before he is a shooter....hence getting someone to finish off his playmaking. Maybe that guy is already on the team...maybe not.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is there a 30 goal scorer in that entire group besides Gaudreau?

How many teams have two 30 goal wingers. Look forward to hearing back on that

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

How many teams have two 30 goal wingers. Look forward to hearing back on that

This team had zero last year.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

How many teams have two 30 goal wingers. Look forward to hearing back on that

The team that swept calgary in 4 games had 2.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Maybe.

I just dont see Bennett ever being a big scorer in this league, though i hope i am dead wrong on that.

Brouwer is what he is...and even if he gets back to 20ish, thats not enough for the team.

Brodie looks to me that as long as he is forced to play on the left side he wont match his offensive numbers of a couple years back.

As for Johnny....yeah he should be a difference maker but he is a playmaker before he is a shooter....hence getting someone to finish off his playmaking. Maybe that guy is already on the team...maybe not.

Finisher for Gaudreau...like Monohan? Derp. Gaudreau has also fired home 30+ goals. 1 season ago. The one we're he didn't have a broken hand and miss camp. Like seriously? Our two best scorers missed camp and each had injuries early on.

We also changed to a more defensive system. The forwards are fine the bottom half of the defense is non existent.

If Niederreiter (SP) and Hamonic cost the same package in a trade, who do you think helps us win more?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

How many teams have two 30 goal wingers. Look forward to hearing back on that

Nashville, Chicago, Boston and Washington to answer your question though.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

How many teams have two 30 goal wingers. Look forward to hearing back on that

How many 30 goal scorers in the league? 26

How many teams with more than one? 7

Pittsburgh - winners
Washington - 2nd round
Toronto - 1st round
Nashville - 4th round
Chicago - 1st round
Boston - 1st round
Winnipeg - missed playoffs

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nashville, Chicago, Boston and Washington to answer your question though.

So not Anaheim?

I guess one of those teams made some noise but also had the best defencemen in the NHL.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nashville, Chicago, Boston and Washington to answer your question though.

I see only Nashville and Washington with 2 wingers over 30

Forsberg / Arvidsson

Ovechkin/ Oshie

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

How many 30 goal scorers in the league? 26

How many teams with more than one? 7

Pittsburgh - winners
Washington - 2nd round
Toronto - 1st round
Nashville - 4th round
Chicago - 1st round
Boston - 1st round
Winnipeg - missed playoffs

Is that just for wingers?

[Strange Brew]

Can you really expect 30 from Gaudreau every year?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

So not Anaheim?

I guess one of those teams made some noise but also had the best defencemen in the NHL.

Anaheim had 2 if you count Patrick Eaves who had 11 in 20 games after being traded there.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by timbit

I see only Nashville and Washington with 2 wingers over 30

Forsberg / Arvidsson

Ovechkin/ Oshie

Marchand/Pastrnak

Kane/Panarin

[transplant99]

If I am counting correctly...there were 26 30 goal scorers in the league last season.

17 of them were wingers.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Can you really expect 30 from Gaudreau every year?

I think we should expect 25, and 30 from Monahan. I think Tkachuk will be a threat to score 30 when he hits his prime. The Flames's strength in scoring last year came in balance—reliable offensive producers on three lines and scoring threats from multiple defensemen. When there are twelve players who can score +10 goals on the roster, having multiple 30-goal scorers is not as important.

[Flash Walken]

The point is that calgary had ZERO 30 goal scorers last year, and Monahan is the only one who at the moment can realistically be counted on to score in that vicinity next year.

Why is this even a conversation? Calgary only had two TWENTY goal scorers last year, let alone 30.