[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Flames discussing 1st, pick, and prospect for Hamonic

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Beauchemin? Barf. I think he's done. 37 and was horrible last year. His foot speed has fallen off. Terrible suggestion IMO. I wouldn't want him here on anything more than a tryout and even then I'd be skeptical.

I know. Just the first name that popped in my head that I know is on the UFA list without looking that would fit in the 5-6 spot and has toughness to replace Engelland.

Probably would be a half dozen better options for a free agent.

[sa226]

You can no longer just build your team by plugging in "Number 1 D, Number 1 RW" etc etc

The Flames have a ton of money tied up in their top 3 D. Signing Stone, and trading for Hamonic makes the money allocation by position a little lopsided.

Is Hamonic over Stone going to make the Flames that much better that its worth giving up a 1st and a prospect? I'm not convinced. Yeah sure Stone probably isn't a bona fide top 4 D, but he's no slouch either and he really solidified the top 4 last year.

We're already a little thin on draft pick and prospect depth, so why not get Stone for free and then draft a decent prospect?

The Flames' fortunes will be decided by the likes of Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio, Hamilton Brodie and Smith. Not Stone vs Hamonic.

Edit: Sorry, Stone won't technically be free...5th rounder.

[Teroy]

Geo Hamilton
Brodie Stone
Kulak Wotherspoon
Bartkowski

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Southside

Simultaneously negotiating with Stone. Hmm. If this doesn't work for you, we may have to go in another direction.

Similar to the strategy Feaster used when negotiating with Tanguay.

The rumour started floating that the Flames would be willing to take Ryan Smyth if the Oilers couldn't get a deal done with the Kings and the Flames couldn't come to terms with Tanguay. Suddenly, it didn't take long for Tanguay to sign with the Flames and the Oilers to work out a deal for Smyth.

[ComixZone]

I keep seeing Wotherspoon used in line-ups...I'm going to go ahead and predict that he either gets tossed into a trade or isn't qualified.

[Bingo]

Hamonic is the better player, but as people have said Stone is free should they sign him, and doesn't cost assets - advantage Stone.

I think the contract for Hamonic is the other variable that does a great job in boxing Stone in should he want to come back, as it's only 3.9M for three years. Will Stone go under that and get it done?

Stone could argue he's the better option because he's asset free to acquire. The Flames will say Hamonic is the better player, and makes less than Stone had on his last contract.

Stone at 3.5 and you could argue everyone wins.

[Poe969]

Wotherspoon looked average at best. Kulak didn't look much better IMO. Let other prospects have a chance or try a reclimation project and try to hit a home run.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I keep seeing Wotherspoon used in line-ups...I'm going to go ahead and predict that he either gets tossed into a trade or isn't qualified.

Yeah, Wotherspoon is as good as done with the Flames.

Andersson or Kulak are the only guys on the farm I can see cracking the line-up.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by getbak

Flames will give Arizona their 5th rounder in 2018 if they re-sign Stone.

A 5th round crapshoot vs a top 4 guy who was willing to forego a chance to see what others were offering in order to come to the place he wants? Seems like a small price to pay for the certainty.

[united]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hamonic is the better player, but as people have said Stone is free should they sign him, and doesn't cost assets - advantage Stone

To nitpick, Stone would cost a 2018 5th round pick.

[Stay Golden]

Methot would be a fantastic addition to the Flames, just what they really need. You only need to have seen how effective he was in the playoffs to appreciate what his value would be to the Flames. Side note I Hope they can resign Stone too, kid was tough against the opposition.

[united]

Even as a person who doesn't even watch the games - I buy season tickets so I can spreadsheet at the games instead of at home in my parents' basement - I'm okay with Hamonic as a second-pairing defenceman with Brodie. Certainly I would rather Hamonic than Stone even if their contracts were the same. But the asking price for Hamonic is hilarious. His shot suppresion numbers, while down in an injury-filled last season, have never been up to par with his reputation.

Methot, Hamonic, and Stone are all defenceman whose perceived value exceeds their actual ability. It's 2017, punting the puck is not a good thing, the ability the make a solid first pass or reset the breakout is. "When in doubt, glass and out" needs to be retired.

[Bingo]

The key is Kulak.

What do the Flames think they have in the guy. A lot of his metrics in limited time suggest he could push up the roster and possibly be a great #4. Is he?

If so the Flames can sign a "good" #5 that can be interechanged with Kulak and save a pile of money.

If they see Kulak as a #6 then you have to go get a 4.

The beauty is the fact that said player will be paired with TJ Brodie, who can play either side now, opens the market.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by getbak

Flames will give Arizona their 5th rounder in 2018 if they re-sign Stone.

Unlike Elliott, wasn't the condition on this only if they sign him prior to hitting free agency? After July 1, he's free?

[AC]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Unlike Elliott, wasn't the condition on this only if they sign him prior to hitting free agency? After July 1, he's free?

@TSNBobMcKenzie
Michael Stone to CGY for 3rd round pick and a conditional 5th in 2018. ARI retains half of Stone's salary. Condition kicks in if re-signed.

Sounds like if he re-signs with Calgary regardless.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hamonic is the better player, but as people have said Stone is free should they sign him, and doesn't cost assets - advantage Stone.

I think the contract for Hamonic is the other variable that does a great job in boxing Stone in should he want to come back, as it's only 3.9M for three years. Will Stone go under that and get it done?

Stone could argue he's the better option because he's asset free to acquire. The Flames will say Hamonic is the better player, and makes less than Stone had on his last contract.

Stone at 3.5 and you could argue everyone wins.

The wrinkle might be Stone not caring that much about playing here. He would command some interest on the open market. and he is better than Russell IMO who is in a comparable position.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The wrinkle might be Stone not caring that much about playing here. He would command some interest on the open market. and he is better than Russell IMO who is in a comparable position.

For whatever it is worth, it certainly seems as though Stone wants to stay in Calgary.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by AC

@TSNBobMcKenzie
Michael Stone to CGY for 3rd round pick and a conditional 5th in 2018. ARI retains half of Stone's salary. Condition kicks in if re-signed.

Sounds like if he re-signs with Calgary regardless.

I checked with the Flames following the season; the conditions on both Elliott and Stone were IF they re-signed with the Flames for 2017-18.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The wrinkle might be Stone not caring that much about playing here. He would command some interest on the open market. and he is better than Russell IMO who is in a comparable position.

Absolutely.

And with Russell and Stone there is no way you can pay them to be above average 4s and more than Brodie to fulfill a 5/6 hole.

If that's the money they want then you walk away in my mind, and move on to cheaper options that are solid 5s, hoping the play of Kulak and Andersson/Kylington/depth signing can make it work.

Sooner or later this team has to assume they will make the playoffs and do the legwork in Sep-Dec to get young players ready to be an impact in April and May.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames could add Hamonic they could get away with paying Stone upwards of $3.75M over 3 years. If Stone wants more he can walk. If he walks the Flames could then pursue a decent number 5 on the left side like Del Zotto. Either way have the 6 spot held by a rookie and the 7th spot could be a rooki or Bartkowski.