06-21-2017, 12:44 PM
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#121
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by cannon7
What is McPhee doing? Seriously. He could build a solid NHL roster in year one -- why is he making these (albeit rumoured) deals? Vegas only benefits from being competitive out of the gate. I don't get this at all. I hope when the real picks are made that reality sets in and real assets are exchanged.
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VGK will get the benefit of novelty in year one, and don't really "need" to be competitive right away. It looks like McPhee is stockpiling as many picks and young prospects as possible now, which is pretty shrewd with an eye to becoming competitive in the next three or four years.
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06-21-2017, 12:46 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Vegas isn't in win now mode. Sure they want to be entertaining but they are building from he ground up. Like any rebuilding team the assets they desire most are young NHLers, prospects and picks. Competing this year is secondary to getting younger assets. McPhee is making deals to get young players, prospects and picks as he should be while still taking some players for now.
What don't you understand about that?
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Sounds like McPhee has done an amazing job, he is obtaining lots of draft picks and prospects.
While also acquiring solid players....
Should be a good team.
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06-21-2017, 12:46 PM
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#123
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Because a "solid" NHL team won't win you the Stanley Cup, and likely won't even get you to the playoffs (look at the lack of good centres available).
He's building to win a cup, which means through the draft so he's snagging picks and young developing players wherever possible.
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No one expects Vegas to win a Cup. What Vegas needs to focus on now is establishing and keeping a fanbase. Icing a competitive squad is the way to do that. He'll still be able to collect a handful of first round picks, even after picking the best players exposed.
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06-21-2017, 12:47 PM
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#124
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 555 Saddledome Rise SE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
What is McPhee doing? Seriously. He could build a solid NHL roster in year one -- why is he making these (albeit rumoured) deals? Vegas only benefits from being competitive out of the gate. I don't get this at all. I hope when the real picks are made that reality sets in and real assets are exchanged.
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Prioritizing 3-4 years from now over 6 months from now I'd say...
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06-21-2017, 12:48 PM
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#125
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Franchise Player
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I was convinced that Vegas was going to select Stajan. Now I am convinced they are going to take Kulak. There were a tonne of good defencemen available, but it seems a bunch of them are going to be selected and then flipped. I could see Kulak making the roster in VGK once all the dust settles.
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06-21-2017, 12:49 PM
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#126
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinordi
Losing Kulak would hurt
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Ha ha. Hurt what?
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06-21-2017, 12:50 PM
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#127
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
VGK will get the benefit of novelty in year one, and don't really "need" to be competitive right away. It looks like McPhee is stockpiling as many picks and young prospects as possible now, which is pretty shrewd with an eye to becoming competitive in the next three or four years.
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I agree, this is the way to go. With one caveat. I think they'd like to have one guy be the "star" in their opening season. But maybe that's MAF?
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06-21-2017, 12:50 PM
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#128
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
VGK will get the benefit of novelty in year one, and don't really "need" to be competitive right away.
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We need only look at past expansion teams to know that isn't true. Being competitive out of the gate is a massive boost for an expansion team.
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06-21-2017, 12:50 PM
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#129
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
No one expects Vegas to win a Cup. What Vegas needs to focus on now is establishing and keeping a fanbase. Icing a competitive squad is the way to do that. He'll still be able to collect a handful of first round picks, even after picking the best players exposed.
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Remember he will be selecting 30 players...
Some of them will need to be flipped (i.e. 23 player roster)
For example, I bet they will load up with dman. Which will give them the ability of flipping the player(s) for picks/prospects etc...
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06-21-2017, 12:51 PM
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#130
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#1 Goaltender
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I expect Kulak to get picked. Probably hear the Flames player soon.
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06-21-2017, 12:51 PM
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#131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Ha ha. Hurt what?
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depth... Kulak has/had a really good chance of making the team..
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06-21-2017, 12:52 PM
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#132
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
No one expects Vegas to win a Cup. What Vegas needs to focus on now is establishing and keeping a fanbase. Icing a competitive squad is the way to do that. He'll still be able to collect a handful of first round picks, even after picking the best players exposed.
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VGK will still enter the season as the most highly competitive expansion team on paper in the last three decades. They remain a good bet to finish ahead of the Canucks and Coyotes, and are still poised to improve quickly in the next few years. I think they are setting themselves up very nicely to be successful in a new hockey market.
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06-21-2017, 12:52 PM
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#133
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Ha ha. Hurt what?
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Yeah. It isn't hurting like losing a Theodore or Tuch. Losing Kulak basically doesn't hurt us much at all
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06-21-2017, 12:53 PM
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#134
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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There's also nothing that says he doesn't bundle these picks/prospects for better roster players. Lots of options for them.
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06-21-2017, 12:53 PM
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#135
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flambers
Sounds like McPhee has done an amazing job, he is obtaining lots of draft picks and prospects.
While also acquiring solid players....
Should be a good team.
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It would not surprise me in the least if they're better than the Canucks right out of the gates.
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06-21-2017, 12:54 PM
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#136
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Agreed. The Flames really won't be that affected by anyone they lose today.
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06-21-2017, 12:54 PM
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#137
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
I was convinced that Vegas was going to select Stajan. Now I am convinced they are going to take Kulak. There were a tonne of good defencemen available, but it seems a bunch of them are going to be selected and then flipped. I could see Kulak making the roster in VGK once all the dust settles.
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I doubt they would take Stajan unless Calagry attached a pick to it.
Vegas will only take in salary if the player is worth it or for a price.
Stajan is not a terrible player, only over paid for what he brings.
He'll require a sweetner to get selected.
Better for Vegas to take a prospect, and then get something else to take on his contract.
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06-21-2017, 12:55 PM
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#138
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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another protection trade:
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Unsure who the Winnipeg Jets are losing in expansion, but I believe the Jets made a deal with VGK to not take veteran Toby Enstrom.
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06-21-2017, 12:55 PM
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#139
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Losing Chiasson would be pretty sweet. Basically we traded Sieloff to not lose anything in expansion.
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06-21-2017, 12:55 PM
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#140
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
We need only look at past expansion teams to know that isn't true. Being competitive out of the gate is a massive boost for an expansion team.
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Since when?
The Florida Panthers had arguably the best entry into the NHL of any expansion team, and they have since struggled. The SJ Sharks were the worst team in the league by a country mile for their first few seasons, and are now one of the best market draws in the League. Nashville struggled for years and now have a rabid and loyal fan base.
So long as the Knights start to be competitive after a couple years I think they will be fine, and they look well poised to do just that.
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