[GDT] Vegas Golden Knights Expansion Draft

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Last season, yes. But as already noted, Brouwer was terrible by his own standards last year. There is every reason to expect that he will be better.


I guess we will see. The Flames have another $10 m coming off of the cap next year, with an extension owed to Michael Backlund. In 2019 they will lose Mike Smith's salary and will need to re-sign Matthew Tkachuk. If needed there will likely be an opportunity to move Brouwer in the last year of his deal. In the end I don't think his contract is so cripplingly prohibitive like Milan Lucic's or Loui Eriksson's long-term, big dollar deals.

Sure, but a player that has been moving around as much as he has leads you to believe that he's simply not playing well enough to justify his salary anywhere he's been. If he doesn't find magic beans and turn his game around significantly, he might not even be playing in the NHL during the last year of his deal. I would be pleased with a 15 goal 30 point Brouwer if he were playing a much more intense brand of hockey with any sort of regularity.

Guys like him don't typically improve their skating/offensive abilities in their twilight years and these are already becoming a question mark.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Something tells me we're all going to be really disappointed when Vegas selects Shinkaruk/Poirier, leaving us stuck with both Stajan and Brouwer.

Hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Stajan is the one player I would be upset to lose. He is a good player, just overpaid.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Sens pick is in:

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun
now
Hearing that VGK have selected Marc Methot in the expansion draft... whether or not he gets flipped over the next few days...

Yeah Methot will have a ton of value league wide. Easy to see them shopping him

[dino7c]

Trade Methot back to the Sens lol

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trade Methot back to the Sens lol

Can't trade a selected player back to original team till January I believe.

[Finger Cookin]

@CapFriendly
Methot has 2 yrs remaining on his deal at $4.9M cap hit. He also has a Modified NTC with 10-team no trade list if Vegas plans on trading him

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trade Methot back to the Sens lol

Would anyone here have interest in a trade for Methot to the Flames?

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Replying to @TSNBobMcKenzie
CLARIFICATION: I believe some trades may be announced tonight if they're self-contained expansion draft related trades.

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Replying to @TSNBobMcKenzie
But it's my understanding flip deals involving external 3rd team - say VGK trading Methot or Emelin - are likely to wait until freeze lifts.

[cannon7]

What is McPhee doing? Seriously. He could build a solid NHL roster in year one -- why is he making these (albeit rumoured) deals? Vegas only benefits from being competitive out of the gate. I don't get this at all. I hope when the real picks are made that reality sets in and real assets are exchanged.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Stajan is the one player I would be upset to lose. He is a good player, just overpaid.

He brought more value to the Flames than Brouwer did last year. At least he always shows compete and gets involved physically(even though it's never been his forte but he tries). In addition to being someone that can be ok on the defensive aspect of things now as his offence is dwindling. Besides, he can still make the pass.

He has adjusted his game to further his career.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Would anyone here have interest in a trade for Methot to the Flames?

I think Methot would be a great partner for Dougie Hamilton. Would allow Dougie to rove around and be creative offensively.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by cannon7

What is McPhee doing? Seriously. He could build a solid NHL roster in year one -- why is he making these (albeit rumoured) deals? Vegas only benefits from being competitive out of the gate. I don't get this at all. I hope when the real picks are made that reality sets in and real assets are exchanged.

Because a "solid" NHL team won't win you the Stanley Cup, and likely won't even get you to the playoffs (look at the lack of good centres available).

He's building to win a cup, which means through the draft so he's snagging picks and young developing players wherever possible.

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think Methot would be a great partner for Dougie Hamilton. Would allow Dougie to rove around and be creative offensively.

Giordano is a better partner.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by cannon7

What is McPhee doing? Seriously. He could build a solid NHL roster in year one -- why is he making these (albeit rumoured) deals? Vegas only benefits from being competitive out of the gate. I don't get this at all. I hope when the real picks are made that reality sets in and real assets are exchanged.

The roster in year 1 wouldnt be the same roster in year 3. These guys in their primes will steadily decline and they will have no one to replace them. Guys like Tuch and Theodore (rumoured) would grow into those roles and keep them competitive in the long run.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Can't trade a selected player back to original team till January I believe.

Just in time for the playoff drive?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by cannon7

What is McPhee doing? Seriously. He could build a solid NHL roster in year one -- why is he making these (albeit rumoured) deals? Vegas only benefits from being competitive out of the gate. I don't get this at all. I hope when the real picks are made that reality sets in and real assets are exchanged.

Vegas isn't in win now mode. Sure they want to be entertaining but they are building from he ground up. Like any rebuilding team the assets they desire most are young NHLers, prospects and picks. Competing this year is secondary to getting younger assets. McPhee is making deals to get young players, prospects and picks as he should be while still taking some players for now.

What don't you understand about that?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think Methot would be a great partner for Dougie Hamilton. Would allow Dougie to rove around and be creative offensively.

I think they are more looking for a Brodie partner. And Methot shoots L. Would Treliving and GG consider getting Methot to play with Hamilton and moving Brodie back with Gio? Maybe, I guess. But they just spent all season getting Hamilton and Gio playing well together.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Because a "solid" NHL team won't win you the Stanley Cup, and likely won't even get you to the playoffs (look at the lack of good centres available).

He's building to win a cup, which means through the draft so he's snagging picks and young developing players wherever possible.

Yeah, this is really his only option to build a winner.

If you go with the competitive immediately route, you don't have any margin for error for injuries as you have basically no farm system. And then in a couple years if these younger players they draft all play well, they are going to start needing new contracts and you don't have the farm system to replace them on the cheap.

He basically has to build up the farm system immediately to have any chance at long term success.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by cannon7

What is McPhee doing? Seriously. He could build a solid NHL roster in year one -- why is he making these (albeit rumoured) deals? Vegas only benefits from being competitive out of the gate. I don't get this at all. I hope when the real picks are made that reality sets in and real assets are exchanged.

McPhee obviously read the book "General Managing the Sutter Way", and is doing the opposite.

He's not just interested in today, he's interested in tomorrow.

[Tinordi]

Losing Kulak would hurt

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Because a "solid" NHL team won't win you the Stanley Cup, and likely won't even get you to the playoffs (look at the lack of good centres available).

He's building to win a cup, which means through the draft so he's snagging picks and young developing players wherever possible.



Giordano is a better partner.

I was just thinking it would allow Methot to play the same role he does for Erik Karlsson. Also, would allow the Flames to pair up Gio and Brodie which has historically been a great pairing.