[News] Hossa won't play 2017/18 due to side effects of skin condition meds

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

2 weeks ago he was reported as healthy and preparing for next season.

What happened between now and then?

I don't know. With most medical stuff you do your normal things until you are told not to do them any more.
If he didn't know for sure he couldn't play next season, he wouldn't have halted his training regiment.

[Ashasx]

The Oilers are preparing the paper work to put Lucic on LTIR in a few years for Scheuermann's disease.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Most people here accept it is "possible"...

The timing of it just makes it "highly suspect"... Plays full seasons while he's making the big money, and as soon as it drops to 1M/yr, he's taking the year off.

If this had even come up 1 year earlier, it would have substantially more realism behind it. But it didn't, and that's why it's being questioned (not to mention, it sounds pretty 'out there').

I don't view it as being "out there" in part because of personal experience.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I don't know. With most medical stuff you do your normal things until you are told not to do them any more.
If he didn't know for sure he couldn't play next season, he wouldn't have halted his training regiment.

you are jumping through more hoops than the Hawks here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

you are jumping through more hoops than the Hawks here.

Funny I view it as the opposite, that people are assuming this is a massive conspiracy that the league has bought into, and for reason other GMs are also going to be fine with.

Is that more realistic or is it more plausible that the guy has a legit medical condition?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Funny I view it as the opposite, that people are assuming this is a massive conspiracy that the league has bought into, and for reason other GMs are also going to be fine with.

Is that more realistic or is it more plausible that the guy has a legit medical condition?

Im sure its a legit condition but its way too conveniant that its at this exact point in the contract is where he suddenly cant battle through it anymore.

Its a farce.

[sureLoss]

It is important to realize how these crazy long front loaded deals were negotiated back when they were allowed.

The team would give the money the player wanted then tacked on low salary years to reduce the Average Annual Value of the contract.

Why did they add on low salary years? Because that is when the player planned on retiring anyways and would be more inclined to retire because they weren't leaving a lot of money on the table.

It is highly suspicious that this medical condition comes up in the same year when the contract suggests Hossa was going to retire.

[Young_Guns]

I won't go through the entire thread, but I am sure it has been posted before. The Coyotes are probably salivating to get their hands on Hossa's contract and possibly a draft pick or a prospect.

[TheKurgan]

Terrible news for Hossa IF true. But it all just seems a little to convenient for the Hawks. I really hope the league gets an independent medical opinion.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Because it is real?
I'm not sure why folks don't think this is possible.
Allergies and skin conditions can get quite severe and painful, and medications to treat can have serious side effects.
I give the people involve the benefit of the doubt absent proof that something fishy is actually happening.

Hey, ease up a bit. I think it's possible, just having a tough time fully buying in right now due to the timing.

[Nsd1]

The optics of this look really bad for the hawks because of the timing and all. The NHL could argue that the hawks knew about this condition prior to signing the deal but you never know the long term effect of medial issues.

I don't really care that Chicago gets cap relief because of this. The recapture rule was bogus and exactly what you would expect from the NHL. They approved all these contracts in the first place, then go back and penalize teams for singing them. So dumb.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Funny I view it as the opposite, that people are assuming this is a massive conspiracy that the league has bought into, and for reason other GMs are also going to be fine with.

And the doctors giving him needless medications or excessive medications for his condition or misreporting the dosage or medications they're giving him or overstating the side effects of those medications, etc..

Ultimately the doctors are unlikely to be complicit in any of the above, it'd be easy to check what meds and doses he's been prescribed and the history of his condition.

Unless all parties have been plotting this for many years to create the necessary paper trail...

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There really is no drawback to these types of contracts. Reap all the benefits of a lowered cap hit, get out of cap jail once the player reaches age 38.

Yeah. That's why they banned them going forward.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Yeah. That's why they banned them going forward.

But still allowed teams to reap all the benefits if they were signed before they were banned.

Never mind the recapture penalty folks.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

One other thing about the timing is that it's happening right after the deadline for the expansion draft. I'm sure if the hawks were able to trade Hossa to Vegas along with a pick or something in order to not take a younger asset they would have. Now that they know its not possible, Hossa announces he can't possibly continue. Such B.S.

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[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

So how long has dealt with this condition? Probably not new. The league should make him retire. If he's able to get better then come back and play. I don't doubt his condition, but you have to think the Hawks saw this as an opportunity. Otherwise wouldn't they look for alternatives and push him to keep playing? He's managed to play up to now.
I think that It's convenient for Hossa as he's only being paid $1 mil, and convenient for the hawks to put him on Ltir. Hossa would probably just retire if the Hawks weren't in the financial situation they are in today. A bit fishy

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But still allowed teams to reap all the benefits if they were signed before they were banned.

Never mind the recapture penalty folks.

I hate cap recapture penalities. These contracts were not illegal when signed - if you make them illegal, grandfather the old deals in a la helmets and visors - if you didn't have one before you don't need it now.

The owners wanted a hard cap. They didn't think about contract lengths. Why is that something that can't just be amended and then left alone? There were only a handful of them ever signed anyway.

Kovalchuk, Hossa, Luongo, Richards, DiPietro, Keith, Weber, Suter and Parise. Am I missing anyone? This seems like an anomaly based on the rules that existed at the time, and apply exclusively to a few star players. Da fuq do we need cap recaptures for?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

...Hossa would probably just retire if the Hawks weren't in the financial situation they are in today. A bit fishy

Hossa probably doesn't really care about Chicago's cap situation. He can still collect his paycheque while he is on LTIR, so this is a much more attractive option than retiring outright, and missing out on the remaining $4 m on his contract.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I hate cap recapture penalities. These contracts were not illegal when signed - if you make them illegal, grandfather the old deals in a la helmets and visors - if you didn't have one before you don't need it now.

The owners wanted a hard cap. They didn't think about contract lengths. Why is that something that can't just be amended and then left alone? There were only a handful of them ever signed anyway.

Kovalchuk, Hossa, Luongo, Richards, DiPietro, Keith, Weber, Suter and Parise. Am I missing anyone? This seems like an anomaly based on the rules that existed at the time, and apply exclusively to a few star players. Da fuq do we need cap recaptures for?

Kiprusoff's deal was the first one.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

So how long has dealt with this condition? Probably not new. The league should make him retire. If he's able to get better then come back and play. I don't doubt his condition, but you have to think the Hawks saw this as an opportunity. Otherwise wouldn't they look for alternatives and push him to keep playing? He's managed to play up to now

Pretty sure the NHL can't make him retire. Plus if he retires, he doesn't get paid the remaining amount of his contract. The nhlpa would contest that in a second.