[Trade] Vegas claims Stoner from Ducks. Does not pick Manson/Vatanen and gets Theodore

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
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Let's start with ANA. The belief is VGK will claim Clayton Stoner, pass on Manson/Vatanen and, in return for all that, get Shea Theodore.

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
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I can't report that as a dead-set certain fact but there is a strong sense that is the ANA-VGK deal or something close to it.

[Love]

Think there should just me a massive "GDT" or Vegas Thread to encompass all of the news that will be surrounding that franchise in the next few days because surely this is the first of many.

[Geeoff]

Manson>Theodore. I guess McPhee is playing nice. Trying to build relationships...

[FireGilbert]

Not sure why McPhee is doing any favours for a divisional rival but I guess he thinks two players are better than one.

Also, thanks sureLoss for getting up early to share all the expansion rumours!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Not sure why McPhee is doing any favours for a divisional rival but I guess he thinks two players are better than one.

Also, thanks sureLoss for getting up early to share all the expansion rumours!

Or he felt that Anaheim had options of buying out Bieska, and trading Vatanan, such that his return is actually better than what he might have gotten.

I doubt he's doing any favours, and likely really likes his return.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Manson>Theodore. I guess McPhee is playing nice. Trying to build relationships...

Not really about playing nice.

If Vegas and Ducks don't agree to this deal before protection lists were submitted the following happens:

1. Ducks buyout Bieksa
2. Ducks trade Vatanen
3. Vegas gets their choice of Boll, Kerdiles, Shaw, Carrick, Wagner, Tropp, Etem, Stoner, Megna, Tokarski in the expansion draft

At least this way Vegas gets a decent prospect out of it too.

[Geeoff]

I think trading Vatanen would have been easier said than done. Defense was harder to protect and I don't believe any expansion-eligible defensemen were traded during the window. Mostly I was just looking forward to the Ducks getting boned.

[sureLoss]

Nah it would have been easy to trade D. There were more than enough teams that had extra protection slots. Teams like Toronto, Phoenix, Montreal etc. Heck even Buffalo and Jersey had slots and traded for Beaulieu and Mueller before the trade freeze and used them.

The difference is the teams like the Ducks and Wild felt they were better off paying the "expansion tax" to Vegas than getting the returns for their d-men via trade to another team.

[StrykerSteve]

Theodore still a good young defenceman, Vegas makes out well here.

[Matty81]

Bit of a headscratcher for me. I like Theodore but Vatanen is still young and established... Would think he is worth way more in a trade.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Bit of a headscratcher for me. I like Theodore but Vatanen is still young and established... Would think he is worth way more in a trade.

For Anaheim, they'd rather keep Vatanen on their roster than trade him. For Vegas, as SureLoss pointed out, that wasn't going to be an option, as Anaheim wouldn't have exposed him without a deal in place.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Bit of a headscratcher for me. I like Theodore but Vatanen is still young and established... Would think he is worth way more in a trade.

Straight up Theodore is probably more attractive to VGK. Younger, cheaper, further from UFA.

Theodore is exactly the type of asset they want most. Young, skilled, on the cusp of making the NHL. He could be a key cog for them for a decade.

[Matty81]

So then make them trade him and take Manson or Silfverberberg if they wouldn't pay fair value. Your team has a way better chance of making the playoffs with Anaheim dismantling a bit so I don't see why they let them off.

That said Theodore is a great prospect. Just disappointed the ducks got off a bit easy compared to some of the other rumored deals of 1st rounders and solid players to protect lesser guys than Vatanen/Manson

[icecube]

This would sting for the Ducks as much as the Flames losing the 16th overall pick would. Or worse. Theodore is probably a better d prospect than anything we have in the system.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Matty81

So then make them trade him and take Manson or Silfverberberg if they wouldn't pay fair value. Your team has a way better chance of making the playoffs with Anaheim dismantling a bit so I don't see why they let them off.

That said Theodore is a great prospect. Just disappointed the ducks got off a bit easy compared to some of the other rumored deals of 1st rounders and solid players to protect lesser guys than Vatanen/Manson

I think Theodore is worth as much as Manson or Silfverberg and worth more than a mid-late 1st or Vatanen. Young defencemen are one of the most valuable assets in the league

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well this is getting ridiculous. Stoner is a depth D but Theodore is already a top 4, potential top 2. I had no expectation that the cost for Vegas to pick the guy you want them to would be this high. If things keep going this way and they make a couple of good moves, it's not even crazy to think Vegas has a shot at a wild card berth.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Matty81

So then make them trade him and take Manson or Silfverberberg if they wouldn't pay fair value. Your team has a way better chance of making the playoffs with Anaheim dismantling a bit so I don't see why they let them off.

That said Theodore is a great prospect. Just disappointed the ducks got off a bit easy compared to some of the other rumored deals of 1st rounders and solid players to protect lesser guys than Vatanen/Manson

How would they have gotten Manson or Silfverberg?

The rumoured deal has been in place for awhile. As pointed out numerous times, had the deal not been in place the Ducks likely buyout Bieksa and trade Vatanen to a team like the Leafs who had a protection spot and were rumoured to be in on him for a year.

Then the Ducks protect:
Andrew Cogliano
Ryan Getzlaf
Ryan Kesler
Corey Perry
Rickard Rakell
Jakob Silfverberg
Antoine Vermette
Josh Manson
Cam Fowler
Hampus Lindholm
John Gibson

Vegas gets the option of Boll, Stoner or an non-bought-out Despres. A laughable alternative to Theodore, if this is true.

Instead, Vegas and the Ducks, apparently, came to a deal where the Ducks didn't need to buyout Bieksa, didn't need to trade Vatanen and Vegas gets an infinitely better player than Jared Boll on an expiring contract.

If you're talking about playoffs in the future, having a player like Theodore actually maybe gives you a chance in the somewhat near future...replacing him with Boll and it's a laughable probability.

If anything, Vegas made out like bandits if this ends up being true.

[Matty81]

I think Vegas did well but I don't think it would have been as easy as just flip the script and move on that easily for the Ducks. Bieksa is on a 35+ contract so a buyout opens the protection spot but would be a brutal dead cap space of 4 mil this year. The ducks are almost at the cap. Vatanen could have been traded for a very poor return in a forced situation with no leverage.

Their situation was bad any way they played it.

Theodore is a good building block but I'm not happy the Ducks are basically unhurt on their current roster.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Theodore is a very good young player. Vegas does well here IMO. Win-win for both teams.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

How would they have gotten Manson or Silfverberg?

The rumoured deal has been in place for awhile. As pointed out numerous times, had the deal not been in place the Ducks likely buyout Bieksa and trade Vatanen to a team like the Leafs who had a protection spot and were rumoured to be in on him for a year.

Then the Ducks protect:
Andrew Cogliano
Ryan Getzlaf
Ryan Kesler
Corey Perry
Rickard Rakell
Jakob Silfverberg
Antoine Vermette
Josh Manson
Cam Fowler
Hampus Lindholm
John Gibson

Vegas gets the option of Boll, Stoner or an non-bought-out Despres. A laughable alternative to Theodore, if this is true.

Instead, Vegas and the Ducks, apparently, came to a deal where the Ducks didn't need to buyout Bieksa, didn't need to trade Vatanen and Vegas gets an infinitely better player than Jared Boll on an expiring contract.

If you're talking about playoffs in the future, having a player like Theodore actually maybe gives you a chance in the somewhat near future...replacing him with Boll and it's a laughable probability.

If anything, Vegas made out like bandits if this ends up being true.

Well, it seems the Ducks really want Vatanen on their team. Or couldn't get a trading partner willing to pay their price. Or both.

The Ducks are still in "win now" mode. So they figure they need to keep their top 4 intact, and if they trade Vatanen, they can't get a top 4 defenceman back (or Vegas just takes whoever is unprotected).