I don't hate it, it has some nice design elements, but it definitely isn't as warm as other modern healthcare facilities across the country. This looks like a cold, monolithic structure - especially on the 16th Avenue side.
That front portion is getting pretty brutalist.
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And the only outdoor 'affordable' parking. I walk to work here so it doesn't affect me but it will make a lot of AHS and University employees unhappy to lose this lot.
There is a new parking structure located in the building. Probably holding as much or more above and below ground.
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And the only outdoor 'affordable' parking. I walk to work here so it doesn't affect me but it will make a lot of AHS and University employees unhappy to lose this lot.
Boo hoo, let's just scrap this building that'll be so great for so many sick people so the poor workers have somewhere to park
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Boo hoo, let's just scrap this building that'll be so great for so many sick people so the poor workers have somewhere to park
I don't disagree! I don't park here, I just work here.
The new building is supposed to have an underground parkade as well, which should help with patient parking, which is a constant complaint.
(Public service announcement: make sure you pay at the meters at FMC, AHS has an army of parking enforcement people that are like hawks preying on expired parking. I see them working every day on my way in, out, and anytime I'm going to lunch)
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There is a new parking structure located in the building. Probably holding as much or more above and below ground.
Allegedly going to contain 2000 spots that will make up for the old lot 1 and now soon-to-be-lost lot 7. I'm sure people here will be upset as it will be more expensive - Lot 6 is more expensive in the garage than Lot 7 is.
Again, don't shoot the messenger, I don't drive to work on the FMC campus. I have heard it all about the parking!
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At 2:22 it almost looks like a pedestrian bridge to the shopping plaza.
That's what is supposed to be built as part of the 16 Ave/29 St 'improvements'.
Are you implying that these people wouldn't have made these fine contributions if they didn't happen to own an NHL team? I'm not sure that's a fair assumption.
And at what point does it become crass to leverage previous charity work in order to get financial favors? What is the point of charity, if we are all now obligated to give back the money through other ways?
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This application proposes substantive changes to the ARP in order to facilitate a major redevelopment. Key aspects of the application are:
· Increase medical & commercial space from current 70,000 sf to up to 150,000 sf. and increase the building height from 3 storeys to 6 storeys
· Allow up to 800 residential units, approximately eight times larger than any other development in Hillhurst Sunnyside on the eastern part of the site. Current RM-5 designation per the ARP would allow 456 residential units.
· Increase maximum building height on the east side to 70 metres (approx. 20-25 stories from currently allowable 12 metres (3-4 storeys). The tallest building in Hillhurst Sunnyside is approx. 26 metres.
· Expand 12th Street to greatly facilitate vehicular traffic flow rather than having 12th Street’s existing capacity act as the constraint to development.
· Density allowed under the proposed changes is expected to increase 2x3x vehicle traffic from current levels, even based on the applicant’s studies.
· Remove requirements for affordable/subsidized or family-oriented units. No requirement for seniors housing or care facility.
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It's not terrible design wise, but please no more tacky color accents!
Are you implying that these people wouldn't have made these fine contributions if they didn't happen to own an NHL team? I'm not sure that's a fair assumption.
And at what point does it become crass to leverage previous charity work in order to get financial favors? What is the point of charity, if we are all now obligated to give back the money through other ways?
One helluva the leap. If you read any my posts in the new arena build, you'd find I'm not one for significant funds to the new rink. I'm simply stating, their philanthropy should not be disregarded. The Flames owners give a lot back to the community; a grand sum I'd be curious to know, with consideration to tax write-offs.. brand strengthening etc;
I don't love the brutalist lower portion, but the usable green roof and the soft curves are nice.
From the renderings I've seen, the inner courtyard will be quite nice, but in the winter, that courtyard is going to be a little dim.
I also think it's a little heavy and monolithic, especially against 16th.
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I'm not necessarily opposed to this redevelopment, but that's really going to close in Riley Park further and cut off the great views from the top of the hill there. Wouldn't be a fan of significantly increased traffic right by the school and community center there, and with the proximity to the school I'd rather see a subsidized/family-oriented approach maintained.
I'm not necessarily opposed to this redevelopment, but that's really going to close in Riley Park further and cut off the great views from the top of the hill there. Wouldn't be a fan of significantly increased traffic right by the school and community center there, and with the proximity to the school I'd rather see a subsidized/family-oriented approach maintained.
As the sole street supporting Riley Park's Parking, the HSCA Community, Center, the Hospices, St Barnabas, and the school - 12th Street is already at capacity at peak times right now with Ezra's construction. They can't widen the street: i)eastward as Ezra's in the way and ii) westward without HSCA losing it's parking lot and tennis courts and iii) westward because of St Barnabas's cemetary.
The neighborhood Facebook groups have already started mobilizing and as this is on the doorstep of the HSCA - the jihad has already started.
My guess is the developer decided to go for some stupid maximum as an opening move with and endgame for something less than this.
Why does 12th street need to be the reason this can't proceed? Couldn't primary access be from 14th street? Yes that may necessitate putting lights in at 8th avenue.
Removal of affordable/subsidized units and family housing is a big no go in my opinion, if we want to continue further densification of the inner city we must also strive to make living there open to as many people as possible.
This is still pretty initial, and I think I-Hate-Hulse is right in thinking the developer has gone big right now with the ability to scale down to what they ultimately envision on the site.
Who owns that surface parking lot east of ACAD? The views up there are fantastic and it seems such a wasteland right now. That site and tapering down the hill could be done there and still allow this Grace site redevelopment to occur.
7th might be doable but if there's any congestion (on 14th? Never!) your stopping zone becomes the 14th hill itself.
If Northwest medical properties wants to pay to re-do the entire grading of 14th street between 5th and 16th Ave...they might have a chance at their current desires...
(That and cloaking technology to make their tower invisible so as to not block sightlines from the Jubilee)
