2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't know why this is so hard for people to get.

1. Anaheim buys out Bieksa (or he agrees to waive)
2. Anaheim trades Vatanen to team A
3. Anaheim protects Fowler, Lindholm, Manson, Getzlaf, Perry, Rackell, Silfverberg, Vermette, Cogliano, Kelser, Gibson
4. Vegas gets to pick from Boll, Shaw, Wagner (yuck right?)

So Anaheim wanting to avoid asking Bieksa to waive or to buy him out says to Vegas, "we can trade YOU Vatanen instead of trading him to team A, then you get to have Vatanen instead of a depth forward"

People absolutely get it, but that's a lot of work for Anaheim to do in a short time.

Unless the return is significant, I let Anaheim (a team in Vegas's division) handicap their team to avoid losing somebody in the draft.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But that team would have to have a protected slot for a defenceman. So, in other words, only two decent defencemen (or only 7 decent skaters in total). Carolina could swing it.

Yep, and those teams exist. Toronto is a prime example and a team that has been rumoured to be asking the Ducks about their defensemen...

Even if the Sabres wanted Fowler, getting him now when he's available at the expense of placing someone like Bogosian on the unprotected list would probably be worth it.

Bogosian is making 5M+ for several years still, yet hasn't looked like a 5M+ defenseman for awhile.


Fowler stated publicly that he was surprised he wasn't traded during the trade deadline. Teams have been calling and trying to trade for the Ducks defenders for over a year now. They know what teams will offer what, and they probably knew they could trade with the Leafs or whatever team, had Vegas not agreed to a deal. It's not like they woke up today and looked at their roster and were surprised to see 4 good defensemen and 3 protection spots.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

People absolutely get it, but that's a lot of work for Anaheim to do in a short time.

Unless the return is significant, I let Anaheim (a team in their division) handicap their team to avoid losing somebody in the draft.

Anaheim has had months to set this up. Its not a surprise.

The issue with Vegas doing that is it doesn't make them better. Sure it might cause a slight headache for Anaheim but there is no benefit to Vegas. They are trying to compete as soon as possible so they are more inclined to take deals that benefit them.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

People absolutely get it, but that's a lot of work for Anaheim to do in a short time.

Unless the return is significant, I let Anaheim (a team in their division) handicap their team to avoid losing somebody in the draft.

What's a lot of work?

Buying out one guy (or asking him to waive) and trading one guy? They've probably had trade talks about Vatanen with other teams most of the year. Probably one phone call and that deal is finalized at this point.

The Ducks have known all season that they wouldn't be able to keep all four of Fowler, Lindholm, Manson and Vatanen beyond this season.

Vegas has to think about Vegas first and foremost, and Vatanen is better for them than Boll or Shaw or Wagner.

[Bingo]

the more I see the rumblings of these deals the more you just know Treliving has been in there like a dirty shirt.

My head keeps going to Brouwer and how they are unlikely to take him at 4.5M but what if his contract was 3M

I hate making up deals, but I keep thinking a pre-arranged trade where they take Brouwer and Calgary eats 1.5M of his salary, and take Bouma in the expansion draft with Calgary tossing in a prospect and Vegas returning a late round pick or something.

McPhee would have to like Brouwer as a player to make this work, which would be a pretty big caveat, but you have to think Brouwer at a reduced salary has legs in some fashion.

Not sure if Treliving has an ego, but it couldn't have been a good thing to see Brouwer slide on to the fourth line last season less than a calendar year into a four year deal. Then looking forward to this year they need to either get him playing better or keep him out of the top nine in order to avoid stagnating Bennett.

This really seems like the get out of jail less expensive window for Treliving.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Even New Jersey:

Obviously protecting:
Greene
Severson

Last protection slot:
John Moore
Jon Merrill
Ben Lovejoy

If they traded for Fowler or Vatanen, they are better off as well. They already exposing one "okay" defenseman if they are going the 7-3-1 route but Vatanen is clearly far superior to all those guys. New Jersey is also a target of going 8-1 because of their poor depth. Getting a player like Vatanen when it's a possibility would be huge opportunity for the Devils.

There's a lot of teams that would love to capitalize on the Ducks situation. Vegas coming to a deal with the Ducks that favours both teams probably makes the most sense.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by ah123

A buyout is easy from a fan's perspective, but it has cap and real money implications that Ducks management/ownership might not want. IIRC, the Ducks are a budget team, plus they have two $10 million players on the roster, so they are walking a financial tight rope

I agree. And I'm usually the first one to point that out.

But that's why it makes even more sense from the Ducks perspective to work on a deal with Vegas that requires them not to buyout Beiksa while still protecting their top 4, or at least getting something favourable in exchange for leaving one of them unprotected.

If the Ducks do lose out on Vatanen/Fowler/Manson simply because the team's budget didn't allow them to buyout Beiksa, that's a huge error on the part of the Ducks and an extremely lucky bounce for Vegas. I just don't see that being the case, especially as it appears the Ducks didn't even ask Beiksa to waive.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

They can still buyout Bieksa.

All they would need to do is find a team to take Vatanen or Fowler, who they probably have discussed trading over the last year and would finally be willing to pull the trigger on the deal, and Vegas ends up with Cogliano....

Just need confirmation... I thought there was going to be difficulty buying out Bieksa due to his injury situation, no?

[Mass_nerder]

Maybe my impatience is showing, but how are there not more trade rumors right now? There are teams with a lot of work to do, supposedly, between now and next Wednesday, but aside from a few "they asked player x to waive nmc/ntc" there's been almost nothing.

[JurassicTunga12]

Eric Engels thinks there's a strong chance Nathan Bealieau is traded by Saturday. Any interest? Struggled last year I guess, but is still only 24.

LD.

[savardandjokinen]

In a perfect world
Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Stone
Alzner-Beaulieu
Bartkowski

(I have us losing kulak to expansion). Andersson get top pairing minutes as opposed to a number 7 role. Very small chance that happens, but it would be great if it did.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yep, and those teams exist. Toronto is a prime example and a team that has been rumoured to be asking the Ducks about their defensemen...

Even if the Sabres wanted Fowler, getting him now when he's available at the expense of placing someone like Bogosian on the unprotected list would probably be worth it.

Bogosian is making 5M+ for several years still, yet hasn't looked like a 5M+ defenseman for awhile.


Fowler stated publicly that he was surprised he wasn't traded during the trade deadline. Teams have been calling and trying to trade for the Ducks defenders for over a year now. They know what teams will offer what, and they probably knew they could trade with the Leafs or whatever team, had Vegas not agreed to a deal. It's not like they woke up today and looked at their roster and were surprised to see 4 good defensemen and 3 protection spots.

I seriously doubt the Sabres would make that move. But there are teams that would trade Vatanen for the loss of a different guy, it's true.

But it's certainly possible that the Ducks have not liked any deal that has been offered for Vatanen, especially if those teams have tried too hard to take advantage of the situation. Sort of like how Burke decided not to trade Cammaleri in order to avoid being tagged as an easy mark, even though the Flames knew that they'd lose him for nothing later on.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Maybe my impatience is showing, but how are there not more trade rumors right now? There are teams with a lot of work to do, supposedly, between now and next Wednesday, but aside from a few "they asked player x to waive nmc/ntc" there's been almost nothing.

Lebrun speculated anything that has to do with Vegas will be kept hush hush so they can keep pressure on other teams.

But I suspect since this is the NHL we are talking about it won't be as exciting as everyone suggests.

[sureLoss]

Beaulieu is expansion eligible. Flames would need to protect him or do a deal with Vegas not to select him if they were to acquire him.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

In a perfect world
Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Stone
Alzner-Beaulieu
Bartkowski

(I have us losing kulak to expansion). Andersson get top pairing minutes as opposed to a number 7 role. Very small chance that happens, but it would be great if it did.

In a perfect world, the Flames don't touch Alzner whatsoever

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In a perfect world, the Flames don't touch Alzner whatsoever

better than Bartowski

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

better than Bartowski

Yeah but that isn't exactly a high bar

I'd rather sign a guy like Del Zotto or Postma for the number 5 spot.

[Fan in Exile]

James Neal would be a good fit. Seeing as the Preds are looking to expose him anyway, there's a good chance he could be obtained for a pick and/or a prospect; possible even a hockey trade for someone like Brouwer or Bouma plus.

[GoJetsGo]

Concerns about Alzner and his ability aside,

slotting him in as a #5 seems very unrealistic at the dollars / terms he's likely to command.

I don't like him as a fit to begin with, but I see very little chance he slots in as a bottom pairing guy with his price tag.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

James Neal would be a good fit. Seeing as the Preds are looking to expose him anyway, there's a good chance he could be obtained for a pick and/or a prospect; possible even a hockey trade for someone like Brouwer or Bouma plus.

Then you protect him and expose Lazar?

Neil does like RW, though. He said so:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ja...dators-sniper/