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[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

If Pickard is unproven then what is Kylington?

Like I said, Kylington is a D prospect with a high ceiling, and Pickard is an unproven goaltender. Would you equate Nolan Patrick with Pickard as well in terms of value? Both unproven, what's the difference?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Also unproven but 5 years younger.

Trading Kylington for an unproven goalie at this point would be silly.

Packaging him for a proven #1 however, is something you'd have to consider and probably do.

Except in a package for a true #1, I don't believe Kylington is contributing much value so my guess is you'd be disappointed that he would be added to an already significant offer.

If Kylington could be the central feature in a trade for a younger backup with upside, I would explore it.

The expansion draft admittedly muddies the water a little but, and perhaps lessen the value of some of these backups.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Like I said, Kylington is a D prospect with a high ceiling, and Pickard is an unproven goaltender. Would you equate Nolan Patrick with Pickard as well in terms of value? Both unproven, what's the difference?

Nolan Patrick is a top 2 pick Kylington is a late 2nd rounder

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Nolan Patrick is a top 2 pick Kylington is a late 2nd rounder

I am aware of that. I exaggerated the point to make it more obvious: Unproven goaltender =\= unproven prospect. There are a lot more factors to consider, like the perceived potential of the prospect. Would you trade Jankowski for Pickard? How about Keegan Kanzig?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I am aware of that. I exaggerated the point to make it more obvious: Unproven goaltender =\= unproven prospect. There are a lot more factors to consider, like the perceived potential of the prospect. Would you trade Jankowski for Pickard? How about Keegan Kanzig?

Fair enough. Personally Pickard is not worth a top prospect in my opinion and I do value Kylington as a top prospect, similar to Jankowski I would be upset if they were moved for a mid 20's goalie that is not a proven starter.

Kanzig is a garbage prospect so sure I would make that trade to have Pickard as our backup

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Fair enough. Personally Pickard is not worth a top prospect in my opinion and I do value Kylington as a top prospect, similar to Jankowski I would be upset if they were moved for a mid 20's goalie that is not a proven starter.

Kanzig is a garbage prospect so sure I would make that trade to have Pickard as our backup

I would trade Kanzig for a mid-range timbit prospect.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I would trade Kanzig for a timbit. Chocolate glazed.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Except in a package for a true #1, I don't believe Kylington is contributing much value so my guess is you'd be disappointed that he would be added to an already significant offer.

That's your opinion and completely subjective.

The guy has a huge ceiling and potential carries value around the league.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I would trade Kanzig for a timbit. Chocolate glazed.

Tim Horton's would hang up immediately and laugh at that offer.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol Iggy talk again...he doesn't want to come back. It's like your buddy who can't get over that girl who dumped him

She didn't dump me! She just needs some space. But you just wait, she'll realize the errors of her ways soon enough. Wait until she gets that lock of hair I sent her.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

She didn't dump me! She just needs some space. But you just wait, she'll realize the errors of her ways soon enough. Wait until she gets that ear I sent her.

You're an artist man, own it

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's your opinion and completely subjective.

The guy has a huge ceiling and potential carries value around the league.

Correct. I don't represent it as anything but my opinion and of course potential carries value. I didn't state otherwise.

But in a trade for a true #1 goalie, Kylington's potential would not carry much value. IMO.

[CliffFletcher]

Kylington is an exciting prospect - for Flames fans. On a league scale, he's far from a blue-chip prospect.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Tim Horton's would hang up immediately and laugh at that offer.

"Forget the glaze and retain salary, then we'll talk."

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Kylington is an exciting prospect - for Flames fans. On a league scale, he's far from a blue-chip prospect.

Pronman after WJC had Kylington ranked as the 38th-best drafted prospect despite all his glaring flaws ahead of widely-considered blue chippers like Travis Sanheim, Tage Thompson, and Nicholas Roy.

Being a "blue-chipper" is not a big deal anyways, as the bluest chipper the Flames have ever had is probably Dion, whose chips have not lived up to their former blueness the way guys like Brodie, Gio, Monahan, Gaudreau all have.

The fact is there's a ceiling there with Kylington that isn't going to be traded for a goaltender who was at best mediocre last year. And even if Pickard had been excellent, it wouldn't have mattered.

Think of it like this:

Goaltender A won a Calder Trophy as a twenty year old, and has a .917 SV% over his last 244 games, averaging 51 starts per 82 games over the last five seasons, and is a 29 year old whose only acquisition cost is money.

Goaltender B is 25 and has a .914 SV% in 84 NHL career GP. He has never started 50+ games in a season.

Is being four years younger worth the 38th best drafted NHL prospect?

[CaptainYooh]

It is disheartening to see everyone pretty much giving up on Kanzig? It's hard to believe that a young player with good physical build/size who has made it to NHL cannot be turned/coached into a solid performer. I was hoping they'll turn this guy into a Sheldon Souray. Is it a development program shortcoming or is it simply a player reaching his natural hockey potential peak?

[Freeway]

He's a good kid, but the only exceptional attribute he's got is size.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

It is disheartening to see everyone pretty much giving up on Kanzig? It's hard to believe that a young player with good physical build/size who has made it to NHL cannot be turned/coached into a solid performer. I was hoping they'll turn this guy into a Sheldon Souray. Is it a development program shortcoming or is it simply a player reaching his natural hockey potential peak?

You need to be able to make a first pass to defend in the NHL.

Kanzig cannot make a first pass.

As a result, Kanzig is currently unable to even defend in the AHL.

Ergo, Kanzig will not be able to defend in the NHL, barring an implausible Deryk Engelland type "27 year old rookie" scenario, where his potential would be... Deryk Engelland.

Size is great if there is innate skill involved. Falkovsky has the innate skill needed to learn to defend and be an NHLer. Kanzig... is just big.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

3) Flames can't acquire players before the expansion draft
.

Pardon my ignorance, but the expansion rules state that each team has to expose an eligible goalie, right? Do the Flames have anyone under contract that eligible, with Johnson and Elliott both UFAs?




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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Pardon my ignorance, but the expansion rules state that each team has to expose an eligible goalie, right? Do the Flames have anyone under contract that eligible, with Johnson and Elliott both UFAs?




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Tom McCollum is eligible, so that's who the Flames are exposing.