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Old 06-08-2017, 10:21 AM   #221
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But of course it's crucially important to our moral reaction, as well as to our practical law enforcement response. Depending on the motivations, we can either expect that it's not ever going to happen again (or won't happen frequently; there aren't a lot of people out there who think trees can tell them to do things) or that it almost certainly will.
That's what I mean; we seem to want to expect it to be in the never happen again category when it's more likely to be in the certainly will.

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So the whole tree thing was a bit of a red herring I guess? I'm just still not clear how it's related to your point, but maybe it wasn't crucial to what you were saying.
It wasn't sorry, it was just a way to say other "typical" murders; I don't understand why anyone murders anyone, but somehow some chain of events and thoughts led them to the conclusion that the best thing to do at that moment in time was to kill a bunch of people. Their inner world must be radically different.

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I think that there's a similar sort of expectation in the two realms - that is, I don't really think that anyone expects that we'll be able to completely eliminate all terrorist activity any more than they think we'll eliminate murder. But where there are apparent options to reduce harm, people have an expectation that those options will be looked at and if thought appropriate, implemented. I don't see a big difference here.
I'd like to agree but I think the effectiveness and popularity of anti-other politics and how these events are responded to makes me think that it's not there yet. The difference between "work with Muslim communities" and "OMG you liberals hate america because you won't let Trump have his ban".

But yes I think you get what I'm saying the public response and perception should be.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:19 AM   #222
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I agree, but there are things that could be done that aren't being done. Though to be fair, not all of those are governmental actions, as I think the biggest gains are to be made within Muslim communities themselves.
There are things that could be done about a lot of things that kill a lot more people than terrorism, so that's not really much of an argument.
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There are things that could be done about a lot of things that kill a lot more people than terrorism, so that's not really much of an argument.
Your argument is nothing should be done about terrorism, because there are bigger problems in the world?
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:31 PM   #224
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looks like a Conservative minority which would be the end of May

first results expected in 15 minutes 22:45.

If you never seen British elections, it takes forever to count, which makes for nice primetime viewing here.

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Nearly 70 dead in al-Shabab attack on Somalia military base

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(Globe and Mail) Heavily armed al-Shabab extremists have stormed a military base in Somalia’s semiautonomous state of Puntland, killing close to 70 people and wounding dozens more, officials said Thursday. Residents said civilians, including women, were beheaded during the rampage.
Another reminder that the jihad is global, and most of its victims are other Muslims.
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Boris Johnson is going to be PM after May's monumental debacle. That should be fun
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I don't know much about Boris Johnson. Please tell me it's just a coincidence his hair is just like Donald Trump's.
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Of course you know Boris Johnson. There's no way you haven't see this right?

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Where did I say there was no difference? They can be very different but still have similarities. If mental health is a factor in non-terrorist guy killing a bunch of people why isn't it a factor in terrorist guy killing a bunch of people?
I really don't see the connection, in any way at all. One group is plain clothed murderers who focus on murder across the world (often educated, etc) the other is a single person with a diagnosed mental illness. We do not tolerate either, and have programs and plans in place to reduce the risk of both. We are however at a point in time where some tough decisions needs to be made to deal with the first group.

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Might not be Boris after all. Corbyn might just pull this off.
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Might not be Boris after all. Corbyn might just pull this off.
Yep Compo for PM!!!!

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Looks like UK voters have said enough is enough to Theresa May.
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Who knew trying to lock down the internet and privacy wasn't a winning tactic.
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Who knew trying to lock down the internet and privacy wasn't a winning tactic.
Yep, pulling that 'I will protect you from the evil bad guys' just doesn't sell in the UK, we can protect ourselves just fine
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Lord Buckethead & Screaming Lord Hope....I need to start watching more UK elections.
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She lost support because she attempted to charge boomers for home care. She put forth a policy that homecare costs would be paid by the property owner at the time the property was sold with only the first 100,000 pounds exempt. Don't #### with old people
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She lost support because she attempted to charge boomers for home care. She put forth a policy that homecare costs would be paid by the property owner at the time the property was sold with only the first 100,000 pounds exempt. Don't #### with old people
Don't #### with their kids who need that money to get into the property market as well.
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Lord Buckethead & Screaming Lord Hope....I need to start watching more UK elections.
The monster raving loonie party have been screwing with UK elections since I was a kid
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Boris Johnson is going to be PM after May's monumental debacle. That should be fun

No, it will be MP's only voting for a leader, he's rightly despised as a buffoon,
Amber Rudd held her seat just, but my money would be on her
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