[News] New Arena - Plan B - Victoria Park

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I doubt you're going to be using a new arena much either when the Flames are done cranking up the average ticket price to affordable levels once a new structure is built. The worst part is that prices have already ballooned over the last 10 years.

Libraries offer a lot more service than just renting books....family classes, meeting space, educational events. Its not just libraries under attack either, Mr. Burke also scoffed at the notion of having a national music centre in the city....imagine Calgary having something ground breaking besides oil and hockey! Mr. Burke also thinks we should be dolling out tax breaks to all his millionaire players. At this point I say the city should put him and his buddy Ken into a cannon and shoot them over the glenmore reservoir.

Anyone who is still lapping this rubbish up needs to question if they even want this province/city to succeed.

I dont even want to pay Saddledome prices, I cant imagine 'New Arena' prices.

Let Edmontonians pay it. They seem to enjoy it.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Modern libraries aren't primarily about books anymore. They're a combination of indoor public plaza, digital lab, and meeting space.

And in the case of the downtown library the place to score some meth.

[Par]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

And in the case of the downtown library the place to score some meth.

How bad is it in the downtown by the library? I keep hearing things.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Par

How bad is it in the downtown by the library? I keep hearing things.

It's always been a somewhat sketchy area of downtown.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Even if you could make a good case that the library downtown is a waste of money, I really don't see how that translates to making a good case for supporting wasting even more money on an even less defensible cause like the Flames.

The city probably can and should pony up some money, they will benefit from this new building in some ways. But probably not more than 25% of the cost and definitely not something as substantial and as much of a sweetheart deal as Edmonton got. There will be some public good out of this building and the city (and maybe the province) need to decide how much that is worth to them. However at the end of the day most of the business and benefits will be for the Flames, not the city and the deal made should reflect that.

[RM14]

Council settles on a preferred green line route that would not be underground of the proposed Vic Park arena location.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...city-1.4152151

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Par

The mayor fired back, he did not hold anything back.

“I want it to end in something that doesn’t look like Edmonton, that is a deal where any public money is very clear and it absolutely leads to public benefit.”

When you look at the Edmonton deal, it’s so opaque.

“How many people know the City of Edmonton actually pays money to the Oilers, millions of dollars every year, to be a sponsor of the Oilers?

"That was part of the deal. We’re not doing anything like that.”

“I could say: Really, is Rogers, who is giving you all that money, going to be happy about you taking a team out of western Canada?”

“Do you think Pierre Karl Peladeau is going to give you a better deal than the city of Calgary?”




http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/07...-like-edmonton


I don't see a deal happening anytime soon, if Nenshi is reelected, than it will take even longer.

Nenshi just can't help himself. You're winning dude, why do you have to constantly lower yourself. Take the high road for once and say "Look Brian is a passionate person and we know his style. We're working to get a resolution that will work for all parties." Instead he lets KK of all people get the upper hand here.

You think he'd learn by now, guess not.

[Toonage]

Trigger warning - Eric Francis coming up right away on Tim & Sid to discuss the situation.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Par

The mayor fired back, he did not hold anything back.

“I want it to end in something that doesn’t look like Edmonton, that is a deal where any public money is very clear and it absolutely leads to public benefit.”

When you look at the Edmonton deal, it’s so opaque.

“How many people know the City of Edmonton actually pays money to the Oilers, millions of dollars every year, to be a sponsor of the Oilers?

"That was part of the deal. We’re not doing anything like that.”

“I could say: Really, is Rogers, who is giving you all that money, going to be happy about you taking a team out of western Canada?”

“Do you think Pierre Karl Peladeau is going to give you a better deal than the city of Calgary?”




http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/07...-like-edmonton


I don't see a deal happening anytime soon, if Nenshi is reelected, than it will take even longer.

Nenshi has one vote.

except if he holds the tie-breaking vote, his vote counts as one. No more and no less that every other member of council.

If the deal is such a no brainer, I am not sure why no other council member is speaking out publicly in favor of an arena? I have yet to hear any passionate or sustained pro-arena member of council...

If the Flames can get 8 of the 14 members of council on their side with respect to publicly funding a new arena, it doesn't matter what Nenshi votes...

I mean, that's my understanding of how our council works? If I am mistaken, i'd certainly welcome any corrections or clarification on city of calgary governance...

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Barnes

It's as if a central library should exist for things other then research.

I was answering an allegation that anybody who is opposed to spending $245 million on a library is stupid an uneducated, and needs to use the library to correct that. Well, this city's library system isn't going to correct that for anyone.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I was answering an allegation that anybody who is opposed to spending $245 million on a library is stupid an uneducated, and needs to use the library to correct that. Well, this city's library system isn't going to correct that for anyone.

That wasn't the allegation, but ok.

[MoneyGuy]

A mayor doesn't have a tie-breaking vote.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

A mayor doesn't have a tie-breaking vote.

the city of calgary website says he does...

Council meetings consist of reviewing reports and approving or editing recommendations contained within them. This is done through a process of information sharing, inquiry, deliberation and voting. Each member of Council has an equal vote in the decision-making process. The mayor has the tie-breaking vote and votes last so as not to influence Councillors.

http://www.calgary.ca/citycouncil/Pa...ncil-Work.aspx

i'm assuming this would be for anything that comes to a vote, however, i could be wrong...

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[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Nenshi has one vote.

except if he holds the tie-breaking vote, his vote counts as one. No more and no less that every other member of council.

If the deal is such a no brainer, I am not sure why no other council member is speaking out publicly in favor of an arena? I have yet to hear any passionate or sustained pro-arena member of council...

If the Flames can get 8 of the 14 members of council on their side with respect to publicly funding a new arena, it doesn't matter what Nenshi votes...

I mean, that's my understanding of how our council works? If I am mistaken, i'd certainly welcome any corrections or clarification on city of calgary governance...

That's generally correct: http://www.calgary.ca/CityCouncil/Pa...ncil-Work.aspx

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Trigger warning - Eric Francis coming up right away on Tim & Sid to discuss the situation.

Francis drops the "3 reporters were conveniently present and some people think the guy pressing Burke at that luncheon was a plant from the City to make the Flames look bad" conspiracy theory and then quickly disregards it.

Nice job planting the seed Eric. You're a good foot soldier for CSEC.

[killer_carlson]

I suspect they've done some polling before going public that this issue is not as clear cut with the electorate as Nenshi is suggesting.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

the city of calgary website says he does...



http://www.calgary.ca/citycouncil/Pa...ncil-Work.aspx

i'm assuming this would be for anything that comes to a vote, however, i could be wrong...

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There is an odd number of council members (provided that everyone is there) so, if the vote is tied going into the mayor's last vote, then his vote will break the tie, but simply because his vote is last.

If someone is missing, and the vote is tied (including the mayor's vote), then the Mayor's vote doesn't count double or anything. A tied vote is automatically lost.

[Strange Brew]

Burke's comments were asinine and indefensible and I agree with most of what Nenshi said

BUT

sometimes a leaders job requires them to surpress their ego. It's not always about being right and Nenshis comments accomplish nothing especially after the Flames publicly distanced themselves.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

the city of calgary website says he does...



http://www.calgary.ca/citycouncil/Pa...ncil-Work.aspx

i'm assuming this would be for anything that comes to a vote, however, i could be wrong...

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Only because he votes last. Semantics, I guess. He has an equal vote to everyone else.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Only because he votes last. Semantics, I guess. He has an equal vote to everyone else.

well, its directly from the City of Calgary website that he holds the tie breaking vote. people can interpret that how they want too

it makes sense for him to own a tie breaking vote in the event of a tie: he was elected as Mayor.

However, like mentioned earlier, there are 14 Councillors that the Flames have the opportunity to convince.

That's why the focus on Nenshi is a bit of a red herring. If 8 Councillors agreed that X number of dollars should go into the Arena, it doesn't matter what Nenshi says.

Hell, if 8 Councillors voted to proceed with CalgaryNext, I don't think that there's anything the mayor could do.