[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames among 3 teams calling about Mike Smith but #1 target is MAF

[Itse]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The best happy medium between age salary and ability is Steve Mason. I still want no one else other than Korpisalo,

I don't get the love for Korpisalo. Haven't seen him much, but what I've seen hasn't been impressive. Was quite bad at the World Championships this year. Maybe there's a future, but I don't see him as ready to step up at all.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Well after all this discussion about goalies, I'm convinced about one thing.

No matter who the Flames end up with in net next year, there's going to be a LOT of bitching and moaning about who we got and what we had to do to get them. It's a no-win situation.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It's the elephant in the room with Treliving... much great work, but if he cannot solve the goalie issue yet again... and I do appreciate there are legitimate excuses. If another season is down the drain because of goaltending, how much patience will there be?

It's a tough place to be though because he inherited a franchise without a franchise goaltender and as with a franchise center if you don't have a franchise goaltender you are forever searching for one until you strike gold in the draft or trade. For all we know he struck gold with Parsons but he's not ready yet so as of right now Treliving really has no other options but rummaging through the trash for recycled goods (Hiller, Elliott, Smith, MAF, etc) or trying to unearth a hidden gem that's on another roster but stuck behind an incumbent starter (Raanta, Grubauer, etc). There's really not a lot of consensus on what the direction should be because there's question marks attached to pretty well every single option. Even I am exhausted with the situation and am just sitting back waiting to see what unfolds rather than trying to argue which goaltender may be the best option as it's such a crapshoot.

I will say if you are going to trade assets (it sounds like the Coyotes are playing the game of trying to milk a trade for more than he's worth) for a 35 year old goaltender like Smith and tie up $12 million in cap space and ownership money you better have a really good feeling that it's going to work out because if it doesn't that will blow up in your face much more than say trading for a guy like Grubbauer where you at least are hedging bets on untapped upside and if it doesn't work out you didn't waste a lot of money or assets. Time will tell and I can't wait until it's over so we can analyze what we have going forward.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well after all this discussion about goalies, I'm convinced about one thing.

No matter who the Flames end up with in net next year, there's going to be a LOT of bitching and moaning about who we got and what we had to do to get them. It's a no-win situation.

Tru dat. If they traded Brouwer for Price straight up someone would say "Price is gonna bust the cap".

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Itse

I don't get the love for Korpisalo. Haven't seen him much, but what I've seen hasn't been impressive. Was quite bad at the World Championships this year. Maybe there's a future, but I don't see him as ready to step up at all.

His fundamentals are top notch. The fact he has games played as a 23 year old and a .915 save percentage is a good sign IMO. Hell be a legit #1 by the time he is 25. His issue is consistency. I've also watched him play a lot. He's got game. Just needs to be more consistent.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well after all this discussion about goalies, I'm convinced about one thing.

No matter who the Flames end up with in net next year, there's going to be a LOT of bitching and moaning about who we got and what we had to do to get them. It's a no-win situation.

Even if the Flames were able to sign the most proven high end starter on the free agency market, the "we dodged a bullet" crowd would have had a conniption, and mainly because they would have been worried about what was going to happen 5 or 6 years from now instead of just being happy we'd answered the goaltending question in the immediate future with a recent two time Vezina finalist.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

In fairness to Tre, last off season he did go out and get two of the top save % goalies from the year before, and although neither guy was a bonafide starter, each one had played 40+ games so they could in theory share the work load.

He also got them for just a 2nd round pick spent in acquisition cost (plus a 3rd if Elliott comes back) and a combined less than $4 million against the cap in a season where we were really struggling to get under the cap mainly because of bad signings made prior to Tre taking over (Smid, Wideman, Stajan).

The to top it all off the Flames went from 30th in sv% (0.892) to T19th (0.907) and 30th in goals against (260) to 17th (221) and made the playoffs. So I wouldn't say the season went down the drain, although the playoffs sure did quickly.

Going into the playoffs, I had zero doubt that Elliott would be back, and that Johnson would probably back him up (assuming both did not have unreasonable salary expectations). Then Anaheim happens and it's back to the drawing board. Treliving must be pulling his hair out...

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

His fundamentals are top notch. The fact he has games played as a 23 year old and a .915 save percentage is a good sign IMO. Hell be a legit #1 by the time he is 25. His issue is consistency. I've also watched him play a lot. He's got game. Just needs to be more consistent.

So it sounds like he'd be a good option to bring in as a platoon guy then? Don't think you'd want to bank your season on him as your starter, but if you had an Elliott or Smith in the fold to help ease him in over a couple seasons that might be a solid plan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Going into the playoffs, I had zero doubt that Elliott would be back, and that Johnson would probably back him up (assuming both did not have unreasonable salary expectations). Then Anaheim happens and it's back to the drawing board. Treliving must be pulling his hair out...

Hopefully not too much hair.

[bax]

I could see us getting two guys. Trading for Raanta or Grubauer from Vegas and then signing Mason or something

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bax

I could see us getting two guys. Trading for Raanta or Grubauer from Vegas and then signing Mason or something

I see this as the likely outcome if the Flames go with the trade route for a younger guy or backup. Mason is the best remaining pending UFA starter and makes way more sense than Elliott. Personally if he signs a 2-3 year deal he makes more sense than Fleury or Smith as well

[Roof-Daddy]

Here is a new under the radar name in the same vein as a Korpisalo "type".

What are peoples thoughts on Malcolm Subban? Decent sized athletic goalie.

Bruins have Rask signed for 4 more seasons, and their back up (Khudobin) is also signed for next season. Their goalie of the future (19 year old, 6'5" Darth Vladar) is going to need the net down in Providence next season.

Meanwhile they have 23 year old Subban with 135 AHL starts under his belt and a 0.918 sv%. Not outstanding numbers, but fairly decent. (A guy like Martin Jones had a 0.921 sv% in 160~ AHL games)

Maybe he could be had for cheap and brought in to platoon with a vet hoping he takes the net for himself eventually.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

In fairness to Tre, last off season he did go out and get two of the top save % goalies from the year before, and although neither guy was a bonafide starter, each one had played 40+ games so they could in theory share the work load.

He also got them for just a 2nd round pick spent in acquisition cost (plus a 3rd if Elliott comes back) and a combined less than $4 million against the cap in a season where we were really struggling to get under the cap mainly because of bad signings made prior to Tre taking over (Smid, Wideman, Stajan).

The to top it all off the Flames went from 30th in sv% (0.892) to T19th (0.907) and 30th in goals against (260) to 17th (221) and made the playoffs. So I wouldn't say the season went down the drain, although the playoffs sure did quickly.

Yes, I know his moves were logical, but the end result was bad again. In the end he will be judged on outcome, no matter how unfairly.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Here is a new under the radar name in the same vein as a Korpisalo "type".

What are peoples thoughts on Malcolm Subban? Decent sized athletic goalie.

Bruins have Rask signed for 4 more seasons, and their back up (Khudobin) is also signed for next season. Their goalie of the future (19 year old, 6'5" Darth Vladar) is going to need the net down in Providence next season.

Meanwhile they have 23 year old Subban with 135 AHL starts under his belt and a 0.918 sv%. Not outstanding numbers, but fairly decent. (A guy like Martin Jones had a 0.921 sv% in 160~ AHL games)

Maybe he could be had for cheap and brought in to platoon with a vet hoping he takes the net for himself eventually.

Is this real? For serious???

[Jackpot_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Here is a new under the radar name in the same vein as a Korpisalo "type".

What are peoples thoughts on Malcolm Subban? Decent sized athletic goalie.

Bruins have Rask signed for 4 more seasons, and their back up (Khudobin) is also signed for next season. Their goalie of the future (19 year old, 6'5" Darth Vladar) is going to need the net down in Providence next season.

Meanwhile they have 23 year old Subban with 135 AHL starts under his belt and a 0.918 sv%. Not outstanding numbers, but fairly decent. (A guy like Martin Jones had a 0.921 sv% in 160~ AHL games)

Maybe he could be had for cheap and brought in to platoon with a vet hoping he takes the net for himself eventually.

Wouldn't calgary just roll with gillies then as a starter if they go for an inexperienced goalie?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Going into the playoffs, I had zero doubt that Elliott would be back, and that Johnson would probably back him up (assuming both did not have unreasonable salary expectations). Then Anaheim happens and it's back to the drawing board. Treliving must be pulling his hair out...

Treliving said on the Fan960 that Elliott was a major factor in getting into the playoffs, and was obviously disappointed in how it ended. He didn't sound to me like he was going "back to the drawing board". I think Elliott is still in the picture, although giving up a third next year if they sign him will be a problem. Not a big Elliott fan, but given the choices available, he is not out of it yet. No one is out of it yet.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Is this real? For serious???

It is Dan Vladar.

http://www.sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/11318

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Is this real? For serious???

Haha. His name is Dan, but I've heard fans affectionately call him Darth.

[Darkknight]

Do you think the Caps would be interested in a trade for 16th overall in return for Grubauer and Tom Wilson? Maybe the Flames add a Prospect to in the Hickey range to sweeten the pot?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jackpot_Smooth

Wouldn't calgary just roll with gillies then as a starter if they go for an inexperienced goalie?

Gillies has 90~ less pro starts than a guy like Subban so in theory Subban would be more likely to make the jump than Gillies at this point.

Just trying to find other options to discuss, by looking at depth charts for good AHL prospect goalies who might be blocked at this point by a proven NHL starter. That's how a guy like Jones got moved around, and that's also why the Flames were pursuing Murray when they did. Too bad MAF got hurt last season. Maybe if he doesnt't Tre is able to pry him loose before he gets a chance with the Pens and takes MAF's job, forcing them to keep him.