Should we be going for Ovie?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

If you told me "Hey, the Flames signed Ovechkin as a free agent!", I'd be all for it.

Trading valuable assets to acquire him, on the other hand, we're going to pay a LOT and Ovie's best years are already behind him. They wouldn't be trading him if they weren't.

Which is why paying a LOT is not necessarily true. The Caps will not be able to command players like Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk.

I look at the Rick Nash trade as the best comparable.

[MarkGio]

Assuming the Flames trade Bouma, Stajan and give an asset to Vegas to take Brouwer, here's a line-up that could work under the cap:

Gaudreau (6.75) - Monahan (6.37) - Ovy (9.54)


Tkachuk (0.925) - Backlund (3.57) - Versteeg (2.5)


Ferland (2.5) - Bennett (2.25) - Lazar (2.00)
6.75

Shinkaruk (1.00) - Jankowski (0.925) - Hathaway (1.00)

Giordano (6.75) - Hamilton (5.75)

Brodie (4.65) - Stone (3.5)

Kulak (0.925) - Andersson (0.925) - Bartowski (0.612)



Elliott (4.00)
Gillies (1.25)

67.7 million

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Assuming the Flames trade Bouma, Stajan and give an asset to Vegas to take Brouwer, here's a line-up that could work under the cap:



Gaudreau (6.75) - Monahan (6.37) - Ovy (9.54)





Tkachuk (0.925) - Backlund (3.57) - Versteeg (2.5)





Ferland (2.5) - Bennett (2.25) - Lazar (2.00)

6.75



Shinkaruk (1.00) - Jankowski (0.925) - Hathaway (1.00)



Giordano (6.75) - Hamilton (5.75)



Brodie (4.65) - Stone (3.5)



Kulak (0.925) - Andersson (0.925) - Bartowski (0.612)







Elliott (4.00)

Gillies (1.25)



67.7 million

Frolik? Or is he the main piece in the trade, because that won't be even close to getting it done. In fact looking at your lineup, it doesn't look like we gave up anything substantial. How are you proposing we acquired Ovechkin?

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Frolik?

He was traded to acquire Ovy. It was a proposal I made a few pages back. I believe it was Frolik + 1st + Kylington + Klimchuck

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

He was traded to acquire Ovy. It was a proposal I made a few pages back. I believe it was Frolik + 1st + Kylington + Klimchuck

Oh sorry, must've missed that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

snip

Using the actual *fake* rumor of Bennett, Kylington, 1st, 1st



Brouwer to Vegas
Bouma for a pick

Lots of space to add another UFA depth Dman or upgrade the back up goaltender.
Shinkaruk could be Klimchuk, Lomberg, Mangiapane or some other UFA depth option.
Don't like Mason? Lots of goalies could be had for $4.5 or less this off season.

I wouldn't be the least bit worried about cap if the Flames added Ovechkin as long as Vegas took Brouwer. I'd be much more worried about the Russian factor and the fact that the NHL isn't letting it's players go to the Olympics next year.

[Geeoff]

I would do Kylington and two 1sts in a heartbeat but I don't see the upside for Washington unless they are desperate to trade Ovi. Still Ovechkin-Backlund-Frolik would be one hell of a complete line.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Rumorbreak really hit it out of the park on this one. Gets picked up by a Russian media outlet, gets put on the Flames' facebook page apparently... and 10 pages of discussion.

AFAIK, there is no merit to this rumor, and Washington definitely didn't put this rumor out there to light a fire under Ovie's butt.

Now that this 100% totally fake rumor is out there, it will be interesting if GMs start calling Washington about Ovechkin's availability, or Calgary about Bennett's availability.

Good job, Rumorbreak... it must be like Christmas for him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What if Bennett only scored 35 points and Ovechkin scored 50+ goals again like he did 4 straight years before this one?

My scenario is a lot more plausible than yours BTW.

I like Bennett a lot, but Ovechkin would VERY likely do a lot more to help this team win in the next 4 years than Bennett would, and if the loss of Bennett can be offset by either Janko or Lazar stepping up as a solid 3rd line C option, then the Flames are way ahead.

This is where I think your analysis is way off - Bennett should become so much more than a 3rd line C. If that's all he is, then yeah, trade away.

And if that's all he is, the Flames are screwed.

But if he becomes what he is projected to be - a top line C - then Jankowski and Lazar are NOT replacements for him.

Very good and elite Cs are not easy to acquire. The Flames are no longer going to be drafting in the lottery. If we give up on Bennett, the depth of a contending core just isn't there.

Now if we could get Ovechkin for Kylington and a couple 1sts? I'm all in.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Which is why paying a LOT is not necessarily true. The Caps will not be able to command players like Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk.

I look at the Rick Nash trade as the best comparable.

The thing you're overlooking is that Rick Nash sucks. Easily one of the most overrated players of his generation.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The thing you're overlooking is that Rick Nash sucks. Easily one of the most overrated players of his generation.

He is no Ovechkin but was 28 years old with 5 straight 30+ goal seasons when he was traded. He was a superstar winger at the time he was traded

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The thing you're overlooking is that Rick Nash sucks. Easily one of the most overrated players of his generation.

wut

Elite defensive winger
Perennial 30+ goal scorer
strong puck rusher.

Prime Rick Nash would be the best player on the Calgary Flames.

[MarkGio]

God did Columbus waste prime Rick Nash. He was so beastly. I think him and Mason managed to drag that team into the playoffs one year, all by themselves.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Rumorbreak really hit it out of the park on this one. Gets picked up by a Russian media outlet, gets put on the Flames' facebook page apparently... and 10 pages of discussion.

Timing is once again everything.

[Vinny01]

Interesting when you read different opinions on the fake news trade rumor.

HF consensus is Bennett, Kylington, 2 1sts is a disgustingly weak offer.

I guess I am being a homer when I say I wouldn't pay that price? Does HF think that is a weak offer because the new narrative over there is that Sam Bennett is a Yakupov level bust (Oiler fans new thing since they can't rip Dougie anymore). Flames fans over there for the most part seem to treat Bennett as expendable as well.

Bennett did what so many young players do. Had a solid rookie year and followed it up with a sophomore slump. In Sam's case a huge part of that slump can be attributed to moving to centre from wing and going from playing with Backlund to Brouwer. Sam is poised to breakout and be a star for the Flames so I don't want to trade him. Kylington I would be more open to moving but even then his skill set is elite he just needs time to improve play in his own end.


Iggy is not Ovi but back when he was 32 I would think a 21 year old former top 5 pick, an organizations top 2 D prospect and 2 1sts would have been a great return

[northcrunk]

I don't think the cost to aquire Ovi will be as high as rumored.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In Sam's case a huge part of that slump can be attributed to moving to centre from wing and going from playing with Backlund to Brouwer.

I know I'm in the minority but I thought Bennett missed Frolik more than Backlund. Backlund is the better player but Frolik's skillset seemed to complement Bennett's skillset so much and it's something none of Chiasson, Versteeg, or Brouwer really replicated.

I don't think you're being a homer though. It's natural for the perceived stock for some of our younger players to be low as they don't play in situations conductive to racking up counting stats, which is how HFboards posters evaluate players. Our AHL team rolls four lines and three pairings pretty heavily and Bennett was never expected to play above Backlund/Monahan in his first year as a centre.

[northcrunk]

Chiasson is still a plug. Is his contract done with the team?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I don't think the cost to aquire Ovi will be as high as rumored.

Personally I agree

I think it will cost a contract (Brouwer or Frolik), 2 prospects (Andersen/Kylington/Fox/Hickey+Klimchuck/Mangipane/Dube/Jankowski), a 1st, and maybe a conditional pick (2nd that becomes a 1st if the Flames make the conference finals)

[Karl]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Chiasson is still a plug. Is his contract done with the team?

Yes. Unless they re-sign him to a new one later this offseason. As it is right now, he's an RFA.