Vegetarian diet. Where do I start.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Then why are you in the vegetarian diet thread? I find if so odd that people feel like they need to announce that they eat meat and always will when questions about vegetarianism arise.

lol the Irony

[Itse]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Oyster sauce is a miracle cooking aid whether your a meat eater of a veggie.

Everyone's fridge should always have a bottle of that as a staple.

If you're into oyster sauce, you might want to try black bean sauce. Pretty strong taste, also great stuff for both meat and veggies.

Originally Posted by Fire in the disco

Serious question. I have seen in this thread and also know a few vegetarians that eat absolutely no meat, but they all eat eggs. I don't get it, how is an egg, which is essentially a chicken fetus a vegetarian option?

1) Not a fetus. You can't hatch chickens from the eggs you buy at the store.

2) You don't kill the whole animal for it. In other words, an easy source of protein that's not as bad as some other options. Really no different from milk ethically, and ecologically eggs are not that bad.

3) Convenience. Trying to avoid eggs is one of those things that easily becomes a hassle.

[GGG]

Egg production, at least grocery store eggs, is one of the least humane forms of animal based food production. Essentially you lock a chicken in a cage for as long as it's a productive egg later and when it ceases to be productive you kill it.

So anyone who doesn't eat meat because of unethical treatment of animals and eats regular eggs is quite hypocritical.

[troutman]

Because I was curious:

Why did evolution create a chicken that lays so many unfertilized eggs when that is so wasteful?

http://sciencequestionswithsurprisin...s-so-wasteful/

Natural evolution did not create a chicken that lays so many unfertilized eggs. Human engineering created such chickens. You could call the process "human-caused evolution", "artificial selection", or "selective breeding".

The next question is perhaps, "Why do chickens lay unfertilized eggs at all?" The reason is that the egg is mostly developed before being fertilized. The chicken cannot know in advance whether the egg will end up fertilized or not, so it just has to go ahead and grow the egg in the hopes that it will be fertilized. In the wild, this system works well because mating among fowls is common and most eggs do end up fertilized.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Fire in the disco

Serious question. I have seen in this thread and also know a few vegetarians that eat absolutely no meat, but they all eat eggs. I don't get it, how is an egg, which is essentially a chicken fetus a vegetarian option?

Apparently there's different levels of "vegetarianism".

http://www.vegetarian-nation.com/res...ls-vegetarian/

Vegan is no animal products at all. Your friend might fall into a different category.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Itse

If you're into oyster sauce, you might want to try black bean sauce. Pretty strong taste, also great stuff for both meat and veggies.

I have no idea how this could branch from Oyster sauce to black bean sauce. Asia does have a ridiculous amount of spices and sauces worth experimenting with. As an asian though, I don't generally use black bean sauce and don't know many that enjoy it (I like it though). Hoisin is probably the only other sauce I know of that is commonly used.

If someone is vegan though, there is a vegetarian version of oyster sauce made with #####ake mushrooms.

https://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Oy.../dp/B005XNKITW

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GGG

Egg production, at least grocery store eggs, is one of the least humane forms of animal based food production. Essentially you lock a chicken in a cage for as long as it's a productive egg later and when it ceases to be productive you kill it.

No real difference to how pigs and most cows are kept.

So anyone who doesn't eat meat because of unethical treatment of animals and eats regular eggs is quite hypocritical.

You don't seem to know what hypocrisy means. Hypocrisy is "claiming to have higher standards than you actually do". So unless you're lying about you're eating habits, you're not a hypocrite.

Your claim is also the equivalent of saying that anyone who donates some money to a good cause but not as much as they can are "hypocrites".

In other words, nonsense.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Itse

No real difference to how pigs and most cows are kept.

You don't seem to know what hypocrisy means. Hypocrisy is "claiming to have higher standards than you actually do". So unless you're lying about you're eating habits, you're not a hypocrite.

Your claim is also the equivalent of saying that anyone who donates some money to a good cause but not as much as they can are "hypocrites".

In other words, nonsense.

You are correct it only becomes hypocrisy when they tell someone they shouldn't eat meat for ethical reasons. The behaviour itself is just logically inconsistent.

I disagree with you that chickens are kept in equal conditions to cows. Pigs you are correct though they are not in cages they are overcrowded. Cows outside of the feed lot stage live quite nice lives. (Canadian beef production)

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GGG

You are correct it only becomes hypocrisy when they tell someone they shouldn't eat meat for ethical reasons. The behaviour itself is just logically inconsistent.

No it doesn't and no it's not. You're still making no sense.

Doing something even if you can't do everything is not illogical.
Telling someone that they should do something even if you yourself can't do everything isn't illogical or hypocritical.

I disagree with you that chickens are kept in equal conditions to cows. Pigs you are correct though they are not in cages they are overcrowded. Cows outside of the feed lot stage live quite nice lives. (Canadian beef production)

True, the conditions of cows vary a lot.

Anyway, it's worth noting that at least most people I know are vegetarians primarily for ecological, not ethical reasons. Chickens and eggs have a low carbon footprint for animal protein.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Itse

No it doesn't and no it's not. You're still making no sense.

Doing something even if you can't do everything is not illogical.
Telling someone that they should do something even if you yourself can't do everything isn't illogical or hypocritical.



True, the conditions of cows vary a lot.

Anyway, it's worth noting that at least most people I know are vegetarians primarily for ecological, not ethical reasons. Chickens and eggs have a low carbon footprint for animal protein.

Yes it is hypocritical to tell someone else to do something that you are unwilling to do. The classic example of hypocrisy is Do as I say and not as I do.

If the logic to do or not do one thing is the same as the logic to do or not do another thing then to do one and not the other is logically inconsistent.

Agreed, people are vegan / vegetarian for many reasons, note in my original statement I said ethical as opposed to ecological. Its interesting that you find the ecological vegetarians as the majority. I would say in Canada the ethical treatment vegetarians would outweigh the ecological ones. Or at least when it comes to facebook vegetarians.

[MJK]

CG, do some research on the Ketogenesis Diet, not sure if it has been mentioned yet or not but this might be something that interests you and that Science backs up.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes it is hypocritical to tell someone else to do something that you are unwilling to do. The classic example of hypocrisy is Do as I say and not as I do.

You're just making stuff up at this point.

Who says that?

Seriously, who ever says that "you should stop eating absolutely every animal product even though I have only managed to cut down some?" I'm pretty sure if you think you've heard that, you've been adding things between the lines that were never there. Also known as "imagining things".

If the logic to do or not do one thing is the same as the logic to do or not do another thing then to do one and not the other is logically inconsistent.

LOL, seriously?

I*m sorry, you're being ridiculous.

I would say in Canada the ethical treatment vegetarians would outweigh the ecological ones. Or at least when it comes to facebook vegetarians.

"Facebook vegetarians?" Seriously? That's your point of reference?

Yeah, I think at this point it's pretty safe to say you're just clueless about

1) the logic of ethics
2) vegetarianism.

Things have been explained to you. If you're too stuck with your fantasy vegetarianism and teenage morality, that's not my problem.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Humans are capable of digesting plant-based protein and have been for a million years. The protein we get from meat sources is primarily the plant protein an animal ate before us.

Yes we can digest some plant protein. We, however, cannot break down cellulose, which is the main structural component of plants. Ruminants can break this down. So a cow, for example, would be perfectly fine eating just grass, as they can harvest the nutrients from it by breaking down cellulose. A human would not be able to get sufficient if any nutrients, including protein, from grass.

Human can get protein from plants like Soy. This protein is contained in the seed of the plant, which after a lot of processing, can be more easily released into a form that humans can digest. For example flour, which is plant derived, also contains protein.

What does this even mean?

It means that humans unlike some organisms cannot convert sugars or fats into amino acids. We're also relatively poor at converting amino acids into other amino acids. There are 9 amino acids that are essential to human survival that our bodies cannot produce from other amino acids: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine.

So, it's not only important to have "protein" but the proper balance of amino acids. Meat will, by its nature of being animal flesh, have a full nutritional balance of amino acids. You can get the essential amino acids from plants, but it takes more work.

The "average diet" consumes three to five times more protein than they need

Excess dietary protein can lead to elevated blood sugar, weight gain, kidney stress, leaching of bone minerals, and stimulating cancer cells

Excess protein are mostly converted into urine and sugars. So yes, if you had excess calories, you could get the problems you're talking about. Proteins are not calorie dense like carbohydrates and fats and also tend to be more satiating. It'd be pretty difficult to get fat from a diet high in protein alone.

Also, not sure where you are getting this 3-5 times number from:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096

"For a relatively active adult, eating enough protein to meet the RDA would supply as little as 10% of his or her total daily calories. In comparison, the average American consumes around 16% of his or her daily calories in the form of protein, from both plant and animal sources."

The needs would be increased for people doing more exercise. I do agree that most people get enough protein in their diet though.

[Torture]

I've been reading through this thread cause I just finished doing meatless may. Didn't really miss it aside from bacon and a bit of convenience with fast food.

We ate lots of beans, chickpeas, lentils...all so diverse in how you can use them to cook. Portabello mushrooms are great on the BBQ for a burger especially topped off with a bit of brie. We didn't eat poorly at all as you often had to put some extra thought into how you'd make something and end up with something elaborate and delicious.

I'm not going to go full vegetarian but we'll probably continue to make more meatless meals.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Itse

You're just making stuff up at this point.

Who says that?

Seriously, who ever says that "you should stop eating absolutely every animal product even though I have only managed to cut down some?" I'm pretty sure if you think you've heard that, you've been adding things between the lines that were never there. Also known as "imagining things".




LOL, seriously?

I*m sorry, you're being ridiculous.



"Facebook vegetarians?" Seriously? That's your point of reference?

Yeah, I think at this point it's pretty safe to say you're just clueless about

1) the logic of ethics
2) vegetarianism.

Things have been explained to you. If you're too stuck with your fantasy vegetarianism and teenage morality, that's not my problem.

You are being triggered here and not having a good faith conversation based on the content within my posts and instead projecting some previous argument you have had. So I am out and will continue to follow the thread for the recipees.

[malcolmk14]

I've thought about going vegetarian in the past for short periods of time. I honestly think that by the time I'm 65 (I'm 30 now), we'll look back on meat as something that we can't believe we ate so prevalently.

However, I was recently diagnosed with Celiac Disease, and that's enough of a change for me! I can't go gluten free and meat free all at the same time!

[socalwingfan]

I make a big batch of pasta salad every week and a batch of chili that usually lasts me a couple of weeks. Those plus gardein meatless patties are all excellent when you want something quick. Meatless crumbles are also good to throw in a tomato sauce or make meatless burritos.
As for the protein thing - i eat a vegan diet and surf 1.5 - 3 hours a day and play hockey on the weekends and have never felt protein deficient. Recovery time is the same as when I consumed meat.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by RW99

A little bump on an old thread. I'm trying to reduce meat from my diet and I'm having issues, mainly based on convenience. I will not be able to spend the time to cook my own vegetarian meals. So I'm going to use what advantage I do have, and that is a generous budget to get what I need.

CP vegetarians, what do you do when you don't have time to prepare meals or just don't want to? I've looked into fresh meal services and it seems none of them offer any real vegetarian options. Is it always takeout from restaurants? Grab what's available pre-made at Suntara? Any ideas would be great.

If you are not going to prepare any of your own food, then I would suggest White Rose Vegetarian Kitchen in Bowness as a very nice place to eat. Very nice menu selections and just as cheap as picking stuff up at Sunterra or Planet Organic.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GGG

You are being triggered here and not having a good faith conversation based on the content within my posts and instead projecting some previous argument you have had. So I am out and will continue to follow the thread for the recipees.

Triggered? Dude, that's not what that word means either.

The word you're looking for is "condescending".

show that one feels superior; be patronizing.

"do something in such a way as to emphasize that one clearly regards it as below one's dignity or level of importance"

[troutman]

Originally Posted by redforever

If you are not going to prepare any of your own food, then I would suggest White Rose Vegetarian Kitchen in Bowness as a very nice place to eat. Very nice menu selections and just as cheap as picking stuff up at Sunterra or Planet Organic.

I found the prices really high, and the portions tiny. The waiter was embarrassed how little food was on my plate. Seemed to be a common complaint he was getting.