Should we be going for Ovie?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I'd do a deal for Ovechkin in a heartbeat of one was out there. But I think it's extremely unlikely.

Call it:

Ovechkin-Monahan-Gaudreau
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Jankowski-Ferland
Stajan-Hathaway-Lazar

Bennett + Brouwer + 1st + Prospect

But we are not in the win now situation, giving up Bennett, a 1st and another prospect for a 31 year old? Unless it's like the Brett Hull trade that landed us a Cup the next year, it's a little rich for my liking.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by wretched34

This package was exactly my thought.
Caps don't have a tonne of cap room, and only have 6 Forwards, 4 D and 1 Goalie signed into next season, with under $23M in cap space.

Though none of the 3 players offered are elite, or stars, they are all useful NHL players. I'd assume there'd also be a solid prospect (D-man - Kylington/Fox) and the 1st rounder attached as well. Salaries balance closely, and they fill 2 (possibly 3) additional holes.

Sadly, MacLellan likely laughs this one off in the process of hanging up on Treliving.

Well personally I hope Trevy tries to get some of his picks back this draft by trading away Stajan and Bouma.

Stajan @50% retained should be worth a 2nd or 3rd
Bouma @50% retained is worth a 3rd or 4th

Flames then should be able to shed some salary if the trade Kulak + Philips for Vegas to take Brouwer

Then the Flames can have some space to acquire a #1 goalie, top RW, and top 4 defenceman

[Vinny01]

I think one of the reasons the Flames have been suggested as a target in a couple different articles is simply how hard it is to find a fit.

Where the Flames make some sense is the majority of their core are signed and locked up under $7M per. Having said that Bennett, Tkachuk, Backlund, and Brodie need new deals in the 4 years left on Ovie's deal. The other half of the Flames core Monahan, Gaudreau, Hamilton, Gio all have contracts that expire at the same time or after Ovechkin.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Ovie is a generational goal scorer. He is also pretty physical and tough to handle.

Of course the Flames SHOULD be inquiring and putting some forth of an offer, but they likely won't win the Ovechkin sweepstakes (if he is even going to be traded - I really doubt it).

However, for a team that is just coming out of the rebuild, it probably isn't exactly the best time. Even with Ovie on the roster, this team is not a contender. Some important pieces still need to develop their game. The goalie situation isn't figured out yet (and if it has been figured out by this organization, it has yet to be tested anyways).

Ovechkin is definitely going to command a big package, and rightfully so. He is the league's premier scorer. Scoring is always a premium, especially when it comes wrapped-up in a large size that plays physical, and actually plays defence too (yes, he does now, and for the last 3-4 seasons even before Trotz got on-board Ovie has been doing whatever the coach asks of him in an effort to win a cup).

I just don't think that the Flames can put forth a package that they can afford. They are going to open up a lot of holes in acquiring Ovechkin, and by the end of it I am not sure that they would be better off. It is certainly worth exploring, and certainly worth putting a lot of thought into assembling a package of picks, prospects and roster players that the Flames feel they can win without. I just don't see any package that Washington accepts without having a young stud included, and I think that in the long-term, it may just be too much to give up.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I'd do a deal for Ovechkin in a heartbeat of one was out there. But I think it's extremely unlikely.

Call it:

Ovechkin-Monahan-Gaudreau
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Jankowski-Ferland
Stajan-Hathaway-Lazar

Bennett + Brouwer + 1st + Prospect

If this offer is on the table I think the Caps would be wise to jump all over it and i personally think it is an overpay by the Flames. I don't see the Flames giving up Bennett, 1st and a prospect. Dumping Brouwer is nice but not worth giving up the rest of the package.

If that was the cost I hang up the phone. I wouldn't include any of Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Bennett, Hamilton, Brodie, or Giordano for Ovi.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Well personally I hope Trevy tries to get some of his picks back this draft by trading away Stajan and Bouma.

Stajan @50% retained should be worth a 2nd or 3rd
Bouma @50% retained is worth a 3rd or 4th

Flames then should be able to shed some salary if the trade Kulak + Philips for Vegas to take Brouwer

Then the Flames can have some space to acquire a #1 goalie, top RW, and top 4 defenceman

I think that's pie in the sky. In other words, even Stajan at 1.563M and Bouma at 1.1M won't likely get much if even anything.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Karl

I think that's pie in the sky. In other words, even Stajan at 1.563M and Bouma at 1.1M won't likely get much if even anything.

I dunno. Alot of teams will be down a roster player from the Vegas expansion. It's a weak draft. And it's a weak free agency.

Both guys are NHLers who can play well on the 4th line. Every year we see 4th and 3rd liners traded for decent returns. I see no reason why these two can't be.

[Gaskal]

The conversation probably starts with Gaudreau and our 1st.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I dunno. Alot of teams will be down a roster player from the Vegas expansion. It's a weak draft. And it's a weak free agency.

Both guys are NHLers who can play well on the 4th line. Every year we see 4th and 3rd liners traded for decent returns. I see no reason why these two can't be.

Because Stajan is on his very last legs and Bouma is trash.

Much better chance LV takes either Stajan or Bouma for free than anyone trades anything for them. Failing that, the only realistic thing I see to the Flames ridding them right now is a buyout for Stajan & burying Bouma in the AHL.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

The conversation probably starts with Gaudreau and our 1st.

no it doesn't

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

The conversation probably starts with Gaudreau and our 1st.

You're joking right?

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by Karl

Because Stajan is on his very last legs and Bouma is trash.

Much better chance LV takes either Stajan or Bouma for free than anyone trades anything for them. Failing that, the only realistic thing I see to the Flames ridding them right now is a buyout for Stajan & burying Bouma in the AHL.

I wouldn't say Stajan is on his last legs, he just had his 3rd most productive full season as a Flame, playing limited minutes.
When looking at the Free agent centers available, he'd sit tied for 8th in points, playing fewer minutes on average then any other center ahead of him.
The Capitals have only 1 true Center under contract in Backstrom, and then Ellers and Johansson who play all forward positions. Stajan would actually be a great add as a bottom 6 center for them, as he's a heart and sould guy, willing to play whatever role he's asked and from all accounts, is great in the locker room as a leader and mentor and loved by his teammates.
Bouma while very overpaid, is a guy that leaves it all on the line, and again, the caps have holes to fill, Bouma can be a solid fourth liner.
The big win would be the additional assets in Picks or Prospects for the Caps, and the fact that both Bouma and Stajan are off the books next year, which means they shed a tonne of cap space over the next season.

[MarkGio]

Frolik + Kylington + Klimchuck + 1st

[CroFlames]

I'll just go ahead and leave this here:



(someone will teach him to wear his jeans over his boots when he moves here)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Frolik + Kylington + Klimchuck + 1st

I think this is closer and I would still give this package up

Frolik>>Brouwer
Kylington=top 3 D prospect in our system and I would swap for Fox or Hickey as well (really rather not include Andersen)
Klimchuck=top 5 forward prospect (wouldn't want to include Jankowski) I would be fine including Mangipane, Dube, Shinkaruk or any other forwars
1st=given

[MarkGio]

Russian news outlet is claiming the Flames have made an offer for Ovechkin:

http://m.rus.delfi.lv/sport/article.php?id=48919139

Edit: Nevermind. It's probably linking this tweet: https://twitter.com/RumorBreak/statu...52983812759553

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Russian news outlet is claiming the Flames have made an offer for Ovechkin:

http://m.rus.delfi.lv/sport/article.php?id=48919139

Edit: Nevermind. It's probably linking this tweet: https://twitter.com/RumorBreak/statu...52983812759553

Yes, it is entirely based on that BS tweet.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Russian news outlet is claiming the Flames have made an offer for Ovechkin:

http://m.rus.delfi.lv/sport/article.php?id=48919139

They sourced rumor break as the ones over here who reported the original rumor, so it's sketchy. If that offer didn't get an OV deal done, I'm not sure there is a better one the Flames can offer.

Edit: That would be a stupid trade for the Flames anyways. The cupboards aren't that full to sacrifice 3+ under 22 players and prospects. It would essentially stall the rebuild and put all your poker chips in, while not having some other really big holes to fill.

[MarkGio]

Haha! The Facebook Flames feed is now reporting it too!

https://www.facebook.com/flamesfeed/
https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...t-stars?Ref=jo

[Reign of Fire]

This was my bold prediction, but I wouldn't do it at that price. Washington doesn't have many options if they want to move him with his cap hit.

I hope the Flames don't trade Bennett to acquire him.