2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It really only works when a team is fixated on a player they feel they can get if they move back because likely other teams do not have interest. Jankowski is a perfect example as the Flames clearly had blinders for him on draft day. He was a 2nd rounder in most rankings so Calgary felt comfortable trading back and taking him 21 but didn't feel confident he would be there with their newly acquired 2nd so instead of taking Matta and hoping Jankowski would be there in the 2nd they took him in the first and took Sieloff in the 2nd

I think it can also happen when they have 4 or 5 guys rated pretty close. Move from 16 to 20 pick up a draft pick and still be pretty confident you will get a guy you like.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It's been said before, but to use the phrase "Sedin sisters" renders your already-ethnocentric post entirely worthless. Get that misogynist nonsense out of here.

Not to derail a thread thats going 100 different directions at once, and I don't think we should start down this path either, but I don't think that word means what you think it means...

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Not to derail a thread thats going 100 different directions at once, and I don't think we should start down this path either, but I don't think that word means what you think it means...

What are you talking about? The poster in question referred to the Sedins as "sisters", implying that being that gender would make them worse. Is that not textbook misogyny?

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

What are you talking about? The poster in question referred to the Sedins as "sisters", implying that being that gender would make them worse. Is that not textbook misogyny?

I don't think so...

noun
1.
a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.

Not the same thing - at least in my mind.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

I don't think so...

noun
1.
a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.

Not the same thing - at least in my mind.

I mean, calling the Sedins "sisters" as an insult would seem to be disparaging of females.

...Right? Am I alone in thinking this?

[Machiavelli]

Gotta love this mansplaining

[OmegaV4]

[JiriHrdina]

I don't want to de-rail this thread but it would be nice if folks could find a different term to use for the Sedins than "sisters".
The implication is that they are female and therefore inferior.
It's also just really not clever or funny.
So find something else.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

Even at #16, you are looking at a 2-3 year commitment to get an NHL'er. Wouldn't you prefer 3 or 4 kicks at the can than just one?

Depends.

If there's a guy available at 16 you think has a 80% chance of becoming a 2nd liner/2nd pairing dman vs trading down a bunch of spots and grabbing a guy that is only 50% or who doesn't have top two line, top 4 dman upside then no, I don't think it would be worth it.

It all depends on who they think will fall to them, the upside of those players, the value being offered to move down, who they think they would get there and the upside of the players from the extra pick(s). It's a complex equation and not as simple as saying more rolls of the dice is always better.

Of course they will talk this through beforehand. Button, the scouts and management will sort through the tiers of this draft. Typically teams won't trade out of a tier they like unless the offer is crazy good. When teams trade down is when all the players they hoped would fall are taken and they think they can trade down and get multiple players from the next tier.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I mean, calling the Sedins "sisters" as an insult would seem to be disparaging of females.

...Right? Am I alone in thinking this?

Calling the Sedins "sisters" does not mean that you hate women. So yes your use of misogynist was questionable.

That said it is a silly nickname, juvenile and petty.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't want to de-rail this thread but it would be nice if folks could find a different term to use for the Sedins than "sisters".
The implication is that they are female and therefore inferior.
It's also just really not clever or funny.
So find something else.

Jiri just to clarify, it's meant as a slight to their masculinity and has nothing to do with women being inferior. Surely we all know by now the average man is larger and stronger than the average woman. That said I agree the term doesn't have a place here because I feel it's childish and we should be above any sort of name calling.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Corral

Sounds good brother - load yourself up with those euros. Don't think for a second the Penguins are winning anything without Crosby and their Canadian goaltenders. I'll give you Hossa - agreed. The rest of them can line up with the Sedin

NSFW!

sisters

- no thanks. Kaberle? really?

That's crap analysis. Take anyone's best player out and they don't do as well.
It doesn't mean European players aren't gritty enough for POs.

Anyway, back atcha - does Pittsburgh win without Malkin? Seems to me he had more points than Crosby in 09. Last year he had but one less.

How many cups does LA win without Kopitar? How many does Detroit win without Datsyuk or Lidstrom or Zetterberg? Does Boston win without Chara and Kreiji? Chicago needed Hossa to get over the top.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Jiri just to clarify, it's meant as a slight to their masculinity and has nothing to do with women being inferior. Surely we all know by now the average man is larger and stronger than the average woman. That said I agree the term doesn't have a place here because I feel it's childish and we should be above any sort of name calling.

Well, not any name calling: I'm happy enough saying McDiver, or, back in the day, Collar McBroken.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Jiri just to clarify, it's meant as a slight to their masculinity and has nothing to do with women being inferior. Surely we all know by now the average man is larger and stronger than the average woman.

The Sedins are 6'3".

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Jiri just to clarify, it's meant as a slight to their masculinity and has nothing to do with women being inferior. Surely we all know by now the average man is larger and stronger than the average woman. That said I agree the term doesn't have a place here because I feel it's childish and we should be above any sort of name calling.

Yep. I am sure there are idiots who call the tennis sisters the "Williams brothers". I promise it's not because they feel that males are somehow inferior.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, not any name calling: I'm happy enough saying McDiver, or, back in the day, Collar McBroken.

I admit I always get a good laugh at "the tenderness". I feel the sisters is more mean spirited but I suppose it's not up to the posters to decide where the goalposts lie for this kind of stuff.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just go to prosportstransactions under nhl and draft pick transactions. You can go back and look at all the drafts, who was picked and all the trades that happened.

Pretty much every year someone trades down a few spots to pick up extra picks.

Thank you for this post. I didn't know that https://www.prosportstransactions.com/ existed.. very interesting!

[Lanny'sDaMan]

I'm not gonna speculate on anything but:

@AnaheimDucks

NEWS: #NHLDucks and Assistant Coach Paul MacLean have mutually parted ways, following the expiration of his contract.

[MarkGio]

Anaheim went deep too. That's unexpected.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It's been said before, but to use the phrase "Sedin sisters" renders your already-ethnocentric post entirely worthless. Get that misogynist nonsense out of here.

Certainly didn't intend what you've suggested here. Edited the post to move past this.