2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You might not have Brouwer then. If so, who else do you send that (a) reduces the cap and (b) the Caps want? They'd ask for at least a Frolik.

Well you would not need a cap dump thrown in then, if that is what Brouwer is. I don't really think anyone cares if the deal was Brouwer, 1st, Fox and Lazar to Vegas for Ovie, Flames still win that deal.

Ovie would score 25 power play goals with Johnny feeding him from the right half wall for a one timer of the left wall. Add in another 20 at even strength and he is a pretty good trigger man for one of the best passers in the game.

a top 3 lines of

Gaudreau Monahan Ovie
Tkachuk Backlund Frolik
Versteeg Bennett Ferland

Looks pretty good to me. Add on Dougie, Gio, Brodie and hopefully Stone on the backend and that is a pretty solid team. If they could somehow get Graubner's rights in the deal all the better.

Ovie is a guy who in an "off" season got 33 goals, had 3 straight 50 goal seasons before that and was well on pace to hit 50 in the lockout year. A trade like that is pure gold for the Flames.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If so, and if Brouwer is gone in expansion, the cap dump isn't needed, right? I guess if they want Stajan or Bouma, great, but both are less useful than Brouwer, who was a 20 goal man in Washington (and I like Stajan).

Why would Vegas want any of those guys?

I see Oilers fans doing the same thing speculating that Vegas will take Pouliot.

GMGM has already come out and said that they will only take 2-3 bad contracts and those picks will go to the highest bidders.

Vegas can easily focus on picking younger players with potential upside in the expansion draft.

If they feel like they need to go out and get a 4th liner making $2-3 million dollars they won't have any trouble signing guys to those types of contracts in free agency.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Why would Vegas want any of those guys?

I really wasn't talking about Vegas' needs at all, other than Lazar would be exposed if Washington took Brouwer (which is OK).

I'm saying if you wait until Vegas takes Brouwer, Calgary doesn't need to dump salary to trade with Washington for Ovie. I am also saying if Washington wants to take salary in the form of Bouma or Stajan, fine. I'm not saying they would (nor am I saying that Vegas would want them either).

[GioforPM]

The article doesn't really say why Washington wants to trade Ovie except that it frees cap space (to sign TJ Oshie). Nothing against Oshie but he's only one year younger than Ovie. Washington is still in "win now" mode. Unless that cap space buys you someone who improves the team, there's no point.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

In what world would it be a bad idea to get Ovi? Good lord.The guy just put up the worst year of his career and still outscored every Flame this year. After winning 4 Richard trophies in a row. And the guys only 31! He isn't some washed up dinosaur.

Ovi plus a somewhat competent goalie and the Flames win a cup in the next 1-3 years. For sure.

Ovie has played on a stacked team with an elite goalie and has not gotten past the 2nd round. Not sure how coming to Calgary will make him a lock to win the cup?

The Flames would be a team where the top 2 highest paid players are wingers. Not a recipe for a cup champ.

Backlund is as good as gone, and Frolik wouldn't be far behind.


Again Ovie for the price in the article is a move you make but the Flames likely lose some important pieces to add a guy turning 32 with a history of not being able to win the big game

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ovie has played on a stacked team with an elite goalie and has not gotten past the 2nd round. Not sure how coming to Calgary will make him a lock to win the cup?

The Flames would be a team where the top 2 highest paid players are wingers. Not a recipe for a cup champ.

Backlund is as good as gone, and Frolik wouldn't be far behind.


Again Ovie for the price in the article is a move you make but the Flames likely lose some important pieces to add a guy turning 32 with a history of not being able to win the big game

In fairness, they lost in the last three years (since Holtby has been elite IMO) to the President's Cup winner, the Stanley Cup winner and the Stanley Cup finalist (and possible winner).

I take your point about the two highest paid players (except that Gio is in there too). But unless there's a better player than Ovie available who is a centre or maybe a goalie, then why do you pass?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In fairness, they lost in the last three years (since Holtby has been elite IMO) to the President's Cup winner, the Stanley Cup winner and the Stanley Cup finalist (and possible winner).

I take your point about the two highest paid players (except that Gio is in there too). But unless there's a better player than Ovie available who is a centre or maybe a goalie, then why do you pass?

Again if the deal is as simple as the article states I think you do it and figure the rest out later considering we dump our worst contract, give up a good but far from ready prospect, and a draft pick that likely is in the 20's.

The Flames top line and top pair would make more than $35M on the cap which is almost 50%. The concern is what it does long term and if the Flames view adding Ovie for a year is worth risking losing other core pieces like Backlund or even worse a guy like Tkachuk in 2 years. Otherwise yeah I would gladly take him.

If the trade happened I would want the organization to flip Backlund this summer as i see no possible way they can keep him after adding a $9.5M player. Maybe to the Habs for Gallagher+ 2nd?

Forward group:
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ovechkin
Tkachuk-Bennett-Gallagher
Ferland-Jankowski-Frolik
Bouma-Lazar-Hathaway
*Stajan taken by Vegas

Only concern is all 4 centers would be 23 or younger

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In fairness, they lost in the last three years (since Holtby has been elite IMO) to the President's Cup winner, the Stanley Cup winner and the Stanley Cup finalist (and possible winner).

I take your point about the two highest paid players (except that Gio is in there too). But unless there's a better player than Ovie available who is a centre or maybe a goalie, then why do you pass?

One could also argue if Holtby played in the playoffs like he had in the regular season they would have been much better in the playoffs. He has dropped the ball for them IMO.

[CliffFletcher]

The only deal in that article that seems plausible is the Sabres. Russians have always been agreeable to playing in Buffalo/ NY State, and Kane only scored 5 goals fewer than Ovechkin last season.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Again if the deal is as simple as the article states I think you do it and figure the rest out later considering we dump our worst contract, give up a good but far from ready prospect, and a draft pick that likely is in the 20's.

The Flames top line and top pair would make more than $35M on the cap which is almost 50%. The concern is what it does long term and if the Flames view adding Ovie for a year is worth risking losing other core pieces like Backlund or even worse a guy like Tkachuk in 2 years. Otherwise yeah I would gladly take him.

If the trade happened I would want the organization to flip Backlund this summer as i see no possible way they can keep him after adding a $9.5M player. Maybe to the Habs for Gallagher+ 2nd?

Forward group:
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ovechkin
Tkachuk-Bennett-Gallagher
Ferland-Jankowski-Frolik
Bouma-Lazar-Hathaway
*Stajan taken by Vegas

Only concern is all 4 centers would be 23 or younger

Is ovi a rw?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Is ovi a rw?

Leftie who plays RW

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Leftie who plays RW

You got that all backwards bro. He's a righty who plays more LW.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Leftie who plays RW

No, he's a righty that plays left wing primarily.

He does play RW from time to time as well though.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Leftie who plays RW

I think he is a righty that plays LW like Laine

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ovie has played on a stacked team with an elite goalie and has not gotten past the 2nd round. Not sure how coming to Calgary will make him a lock to win the cup?

The Flames would be a team where the top 2 highest paid players are wingers. Not a recipe for a cup champ.

Backlund is as good as gone, and Frolik wouldn't be far behind.


Again Ovie for the price in the article is a move you make but the Flames likely lose some important pieces to add a guy turning 32 with a history of not being able to win the big game

They lost in seven games to the Pens largely because Pens had better goal tending...meanwhile the Flames with all the players we can't bare the thought of losing got swept in four straight in the first round. There is no guarantee's in life, certainly the Flames with Ovi have a better shot at winning the Cup than the Flames do with their current group (assuming the low acquisition cost)

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Is ovi a rw?

Well he is now !!

If Brouwer isn't quite enough I'd be willing to add Widemans' rights or 1st round pick Morgan Klimchuk. What the hell, it's Ovi. I'd give both.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Wow, some people don't even know what wing Ovechkin plays? What are you guys, voters for the NHL All-Star teams?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They lost in seven games to the Pens largely because Pens had better goal tending...meanwhile the Flames with all the players we can't bare the thought of losing got swept in four straight in the first round. There is no guarantee's in life, certainly the Flames with Ovi have a better shot at winning the Cup than the Flames do with their current group (assuming the low acquisition cost)

Ovie has been in the league for 11 years and hasn't gotten past round 2. The Flames are a team that had 3 of their 4 highest paid players 23 or younger. Yes Ovie helps the Flames but also screws with our cap structure.

I have not said I am against a deal for him and you can take a risk but the risk you are suggesting is questionable.

As mentioned adding Ovie could very well cost the Flames multiple current core pieces. Does adding Ovie mean the Flames are all in right away? Would it then make more sense to keep Backlund this year to go for it and likely lose him for nothing next summer?

I understand why people are excited based off that article (even though it is pure speculation). I agree it is a risk and risks sometimes need to be taken. I am just not sure this would be the right risk? The window opens and closes faster with this deal

[killer_carlson]

Ovie will also be playing in the Olympics, regardless of whatever NHL team he is with.

I can respect that.

So if he's here, he'll be taking a leave of absence. I would have to think guys like Frolik, Backlund and JG would be interested in doing so as well should Ovie get to do so.

[Roof-Daddy]

You really think the league is going to allow it's players to "take a leave of absence" to go play in the Olympics?