2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Ashasx]

Am I the only one who wouldn't pay an exorbitant price for a 31 year old Ovechkin?

[ComixZone]

...people laugh at that proposed trade....

*looks at the return for Iginla, starts sobbing.

I know it's not a perfect comparison, but it's not bad and it's not too far off. Ovechkin isn't worth 9.5M today, and he definitely won't be worth 9.5M at the end of his current contract, and THN is definitely taking that into account with that proposed trade.

Ovechkin's trade value is not sky-high, but yeah - likely worth more than that proposal, but just how much more? I'm not so sure.

Also, it's time for us as a fan base to start talking about Adam Fox. He is looking like an excellent prospect.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Am I the only one who wouldn't pay an exorbitant price for a 31 year old Ovechkin?

I wouldn't want him on this team, no.

[Mass_nerder]

We lose Brouwer AND we get a 31 year old 500 goal scorer, and all we have to give up is Fox's rights and a 1st? I would take Ovi at that price in a heartbeat.

That's no where close to what it would take though, I'm guessing.

I definitely wouldn't sell the farm for him though.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol of the day

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...hkin-right-now

"The other deal involves Calgary. The Flames send Troy Brouwer back to Washington, which helps off-set Ovechkin’s salary. Calgary also gives up the rights to draft pick Adam Fox, currently at Harvard, plus a first-rounder in 2018.
Calgary’s forward corps gets a nice boost from Ovechkin, while Washington gets a little more financial wiggle room to re-sign T.J. Oshie and others."

Flames probably have to add Monahan, realistically speaking.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Am I the only one who wouldn't pay an exorbitant price for a 31 year old Ovechkin?

Yeah, but that's not an exorbitant price.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Flames probably have to add Monahan, realistically speaking.

Realistically speaking you don't trade Monahan for Ovie straight up let alone adding a pick and prospect. Even though Brouwer has low to negative value a 1st and Fox is too rich to pay a team to take him off our hands.

Ovie is 9 years older, and makes $3M more per season than Monahan.

The Caps can't expect to get a star player under 25 for a generational goal scorer who is past his prime. They will be looking at decent roster players and picks/prospects. Similar to the Rick Nash trade.

Having said that if all it took was Brouwer, Fox, 1st Treliving should go all in

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, but that's not an exorbitant price.

exactly, what is the goal here though?

Be an average team forever? With OVI and a good goalie the Flames are legit contenders. I laugh when people scoff at 9.5M for a player like that


Meanwhile Stajan, Brouwer, Bouma

Who cares if its a bad contract down the road, take a shot if the price isn't ridiculous. So you suck in a few years, then you get a high draft pick(s) and start over.

[bigrangy]

Brouwer + 1st + Fox is honestly worth nothing, Brouwer is that bad.

And I'm even high on Fox.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I wouldn't want him on this team, no.

Year Ferland or Chassion are way better options for the fist line RW

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Year Ferland or Chassion are way better options for the fist line RW

Meh. Personal opinion. I think he's a selfish player who tends to float when he feels like it and just can't or won't play a team game.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

exactly, what is the goal here though?

Be an average team forever? With OVI and a good goalie the Flames are legit contenders. I laugh when people scoff at 9.5M for a player like that


Meanwhile Stajan, Brouwer, Bouma

Who cares if its a bad contract down the road, take a shot if the price isn't ridiculous. So you suck in a few years, then you get a high draft pick(s) and start over.

If the price for Ovie is as low as the article suggests it is a no brainer for Calgary. That contract is very challenging though and within the 5 years remaining on Ovie's deal it is fairly safe to assume one of Tkachuk, Bennett, Brodie, or Hamilton will all price themselves off the Flames. The Flames would have a lot of cap space to play with the summer of 2021 as Gaudreau, Ovie, and Gio would be Expiring with Gaudreau the only guy we would want to extend

[Calgary4LIfe]

I can't see the downside of adding one of the league's premier scorers. Plus, he is a guy that plays physical. He is also a guy that completely revamped his game from 'nintendo controller disconnected' to actually coming back on defence and even blocking shots.

This isn't your old selfish, highlight reel immature Ovechkin. This is a guy that is pretty committed to winning that cup. Only downside is when he gets up and plays hooky to be in the Olympics, but I won't hold that against him.

1st, Brouwer, Fox - I would add significant assets on top of that. Would probably take another first, and at least one of our best prospects (and not keeping a single one of them as some exclusion). I would say Ovechkin is still worth that for the next 4-5 years, and will still be a good asset late into his career.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I can't see the downside of adding one of the league's premier scorers. Plus, he is a guy that plays physical. He is also a guy that completely revamped his game from 'nintendo controller disconnected' to actually coming back on defence and even blocking shots.

This isn't your old selfish, highlight reel immature Ovechkin. This is a guy that is pretty committed to winning that cup. Only downside is when he gets up and plays hooky to be in the Olympics, but I won't hold that against him.

1st, Brouwer, Fox - I would add significant assets on top of that. Would probably take another first, and at least one of our best prospects (and not keeping a single one of them as some exclusion). I would say Ovechkin is still worth that for the next 4-5 years, and will still be a good asset late into his career.

So let's expand the deal to what you suggest in the last paragraph

Ovie for Brouwer, Fox, 2 1sts and Jankowski (or Parsons)

In 2 years Tkachuk is going to require a big raise ($5-7M per). In 2-3 years there is a good chance Bennett will be signing a more lucrative long term deal. In 3 years Brodie is due an extension and in 4 years Hamilton will require one. It is safe to say that all 4 of those players can expect substantial raises on their current deals. Adding Ovie for 5 years likely forces the Flames to lose one of those players. Is that something you are prepared for?

[JurassicTunga12]

I'd take Ovechkin on this team in a heartbeat. Especially for that price.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Meh. Personal opinion. I think he's a selfish player who tends to float when he feels like it and just can't or won't play a team game.

his team won 55 games this year, lost to the probable cup champs in seven...yeah the Caps haven't won it all with him, how many cups do the Flames have during his career?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the price for Ovie is as low as the article suggests it is a no brainer for Calgary. That contract is very challenging though and within the 5 years remaining on Ovie's deal it is fairly safe to assume one of Tkachuk, Bennett, Brodie, or Hamilton will all price themselves off the Flames. The Flames would have a lot of cap space to play with the summer of 2021 as Gaudreau, Ovie, and Gio would be Expiring with Gaudreau the only guy we would want to extend

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So let's expand the deal to what you suggest in the last paragraph

Ovie for Brouwer, Fox, 2 1sts and Jankowski (or Parsons)

In 2 years Tkachuk is going to require a big raise ($5-7M per). In 2-3 years there is a good chance Bennett will be signing a more lucrative long term deal. In 3 years Brodie is due an extension and in 4 years Hamilton will require one. It is safe to say that all 4 of those players can expect substantial raises on their current deals. Adding Ovie for 5 years likely forces the Flames to lose one of those players. Is that something you are prepared for?

4 years left on OV's deal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So let's expand the deal to what you suggest in the last paragraph

Ovie for Brouwer, Fox, 2 1sts and Jankowski (or Parsons)

In 2 years Tkachuk is going to require a big raise ($5-7M per). In 2-3 years there is a good chance Bennett will be signing a more lucrative long term deal. In 3 years Brodie is due an extension and in 4 years Hamilton will require one. It is safe to say that all 4 of those players can expect substantial raises on their current deals. Adding Ovie for 5 years likely forces the Flames to lose one of those players. Is that something you are prepared for?

Yes, if all those guys are looking at big raises that is a good thing TBH...in a cap world you can never keep everyone anyway. Might as well take a big swing at a cup. Besides "losing" one of those guys likely means trading them for picks and prospects. This team will never win a cup with Ferland or Chassion on the top line IMO.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yes, if all those guys are looking at big raises that is a good thing TBH...in a cap world you can never keep everyone anyway. Might as well take a big swing at a cup. Besides "losing" one of those guys likely means trading them for picks and prospects. This team will never win a cup with Ferland or Chassion on the top line IMO.

Certainly is a fair way to look at it.

I look at Chicago and wonder how much better that team would look with Saad over Hossa moving forward?

I would just hate to be in a spot where Tkachuk is 23 dominating for a team while the Flames have a 36 year old Ovechkin and some picks/prospects that might or might not work out.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

4 years left on OV's deal.

That lines up with the Hamilton extension which I would be fine with as Dougie likely has a big 7-8 year deal in his future