2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Roof-Daddy]

Giordano - Hamilton
TJ Brodie - Stone
K Alzner - Andersson??

Looks like a solid blue line, but it costs you roughly $27 million, and there is no room for a graduating left hand D for 3 years minimum.

[Ashasx]

Alzner has been a blackhole possession player since he became a regular in this league and he's only gotten worse. He had a -7.5 CF% Rel this season and that is absolutely putrid.

He doesn't score and he can't defend. He is useless.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I just don't think Alzner is nearly as good a player as the contract he's likely going to expect in free agency. I'm a firm believer that the winners in free agency are the teams that don't partake at all or at the most sign 2nd tier UFA's for more realistic contracts. Last year was awful when you look at what the Oilers, Canucks, and Flames (to a lesser extent) did.

This. I hope Treliving makes an offer to Stone that is reasonable, does whatever he does with the difficult goaltending decision then turns off his phone and goes fishing or to BP's or whatever he does with his spare time.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Giordano - Hamilton
TJ Brodie - Stone
K Alzner - Andersson??

Looks like a solid blue line, but it costs you roughly $27 million, and there is no room for a graduating left hand D for 3 years minimum.

Injuries are going to happen, so that space will open up eventually. It's up the young guys to make a push when it happens, and until that time, Treliving needs to put together the strongest group possible, imo.

If and when it happens, if Kylington (or whomever) comes in and shows he's ready, then you are now able to look at possible trades from a position of strength, as long as you sign these guys to affordable deals.

If they are asking for the moon, you have to stay away.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Giordano - Hamilton
TJ Brodie - Stone
K Alzner - Andersson??

Looks like a solid blue line, but it costs you roughly $27 million, and there is no room for a graduating left hand D for 3 years minimum.

It does put the Flames in a position to potentially move a Dman a couple years down the line if there are some young guys pushing. Right now if someone suggests trading one of our top 3 it is completely not feasible considering our depth beyond those 3 is non existent. Have the blueline suggested above and it a 22 year olds Kylington is pushing for a spot perhaps the team can shop an Alzner or Stone? Maybe even be in a position to move a Gio or Brodie?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Alzner has been a blackhole possession player since he became a regular in this league and he's only gotten worse. He had a -7.5 CF% Rel this season and that is absolutely putrid.

He doesn't score and he can't defend. He is useless.

His CF% Rel and FF% Rel numbers are terrible, but could that be a product of the combination of getting high D-zone starts (54.1%) getting the tougher opposition matchups and being on a team that overall had very good Corsi and Fenwick numbers?

[StrykerSteve]

I know I'm being completely unreasonable, but I can't help but imagine how good Oshie would look in a Flames jersey.

If Treliving can figure some magical way to sign Bennett, Ferland, Versteeg, Oshie, Stone, Alzner and a goalie, well he truly is a magician.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I know I'm being completely unreasonable, but I can't help but imagine how good Oshie would look in a Flames jersey.

If Treliving can figure some magical way to sign Bennett, Ferland, Versteeg, Oshie, Stone, Alzner and a goalie, well he truly is a magician.

He'd need to remove Brouwer and one of Stajan/Bouma for the cap to work, unless they cheap out on goaltending by adding a young starter who doesn't command a huge salary yet.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He'd need to remove Brouwer and one of Stajan/Bouma for the cap to work, unless they cheap out on goaltending by adding a young starter who doesn't command a huge salary yet.

Or Elliott at $3M

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He'd need to remove Brouwer and one of Stajan/Bouma for the cap to work, unless they cheap out on goaltending by adding a young starter who doesn't command a huge salary yet.

For sure. I still believe Brouwer gets taken by Vegas, and with only one year remaining on their deals, I imagine he could find a home for Stajan or Bouma.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think it's fair to say that the Gio contract is somewhat frightening in the long term for Flames fans but the circumstances are much different in that he was the team's top defenseman when the deal was signed, is still today one year into that deal, and will be likely their best defenseman for a few more years. Meanwhile Lucic is a complementary player that is not nearly as important to the success of the Oilers as Gio is to the Flames and I tend to believe that even if Gio slips to a 3rd pairing defenseman at the end of the deal that will still be better than Lucic who I feel may be a pressbox player well before that contract expires.

I'm not even worried about Gio. I was so impressed with him this year.

Just seems like the type that will be a top 4 guy until he's 40. Probably a good one at that. I think he has 3 years left of being elite.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

For sure. I still believe Brouwer gets taken by Vegas, and with only one year remaining on their deals, I imagine he could find a home for Stajan or Bouma.

Bouma is a buyout candidate is he not? Wouldn't cost a lot to do it vs. the savings for this year.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Bouma is a buyout candidate is he not? Wouldn't cost a lot to do it vs. the savings for this year.

I'm not sure about buyout options, but I'm typically opposed to them, unless the advantage is obvious.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Caught some of the Alzner discussion between Boomer and Pinder this morning. Boomer indicated he spoke with Alzner (perhaps an in air interview I missed?)

Alzner advised winning and a good city to raise a family are his top 2 priorities. Lead to speculation that Calgary could be pretty high on his list of teams.

Does anyone know where Alzner's wife is from? Did he meet her when he was playing for the Hitmen? They recently had their first child, so if she is from here, they may want to be closer to her parents.

Isn't that also one of the reasons people believe Stone will want to stay here, because his wife is from Calgary?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by getbak

Does anyone know where Alzner's wife is from? Did he meet her when he was playing for the Hitmen? They recently had their first child, so if she from here, they may want to be closer to her parents.

Isn't that also one of the reasons people believe Stone will want to stay here, because his wife is from Calgary?

I don't know about Alzner, but that is definitely true about Stone.

Wife's family is from here, so this is where he wants to be supposedly. Makes it easier on her.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'm not sure about buyout options, but I'm typically opposed to them, unless the advantage is obvious.

There is little advantage to buying out Bouma.

Say you do buy him out... 2/3 of his contract over twice the amount of time would have him eating 726K off the cap this year (and next). But then you factor in the replacement that you're eager to get into the line-up in the roster spot vacated (let's say... Jankowski) that's an extra 925K. You end up saving a grand total of 549K this year (with a debit of 726K next year). Hardly seems worth throwing a potential wrinkle into next year to save such a relatively small amount on the cap.

Besides which I tend to think that if you're willing to eat money on a deal you could probably find someone who would give you something for Bouma.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Bouma is a buyout candidate is he not? Wouldn't cost a lot to do it vs. the savings for this year.

There's very little benefit to buying Bouma out this year opposed to just burying him in the AHL.

Buying him out nails us with a cap-hit of $666,667 this year and $766,667 next year (per capfriendly). If we bury him this year, we still save roughly $1M in cap, and are free of him all together next year.

[Mister Yamoto]

At least wait until Raymonds buyout is done before buying someone else out.

[GranteedEV]

If we're gonna bring in a possession black hole for the third pair, I would rather have Kris Russell over Alzner or Engelland. Great penalty killer who can score from the points and elite skater. Already has some chemistry with Brodie, Gaudreau, Hamilton.

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Stone
Russell-Kulak/Andersson/Healy

[DJones]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

If we're gonna bring in a possession black hole for the third pair, I would rather have Kris Russell over Alzner or Engelland. Great penalty killer who can score from the points and elite skater. Already has some chemistry with Brodie, Gaudreau, Hamilton.

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Stone
Russell-Kulak/Andersson/Healy

I'd actually love that.

Gotta think Edmonton overpays Russell with Sekera hurt though