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Vinny01 · 05-30-2017, 12:17 PM

I wonder where the organization sees the centre ice position over the next 5 years. Monahan and Backlund are proven top 2 line centers but Backlund could ideally centre the teams checking line which could be the third line.

The Flames have Bennett and Jankowski as somewhat wild cards for the future. Bennett was a top 4 pick and could very well be the organizations hope to be the number 1 centre when the team is contending for a cup. Jankowski has also developed very nicely and could be anywhere from a 2-4C.

The Flames likely bridge Bennett so they will have another 2-3 years to see what he is. Monahan is locked up for another 6 years and paid like a number 1 or high end number 2 centre so we know where he stands. Backlund has one more year then looking for his first big payday. He will be in the market for a 5-7 year deal anywhere from $4.5-6M is my guess. Jankowski hopefully spends the majority of the season with the big club and gets a chance to see what he can be at the highest level. He has another 1-2 years on his deal and then likely a bridge deal so no rush with him.

The Flames could be completely set at centre for the next 5-6 years with those 4. They could also decide to move one of them down the road to address other needs. I have suggested selling high on Backlund but ultimately that move is too risky. I am against trading Bennett at all because I believe he will pan out. I wouldn't consider trading Monahan he is too valuable and the next captain of the team. After developing him for 5 years I wouldn't want to trade Jankowski since we are so close to seeing what he could become. Having said that if a team is offering a young stud I wouldn't be opposed to moving Jankowski but it has to be a clear overpayment from the team we are trading with.

Vinny01 · 05-30-2017, 12:22 PM

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The issue is it has to be Lindholm in that case, and the media talking like the 2 d-men are equal is ridiculous.

Big difference between trading Bennett for Vatanen vs Lindholm.

I don't think anybody has an issue with trading him for Lindholm, no chance would I trade him for Vatanen though.

I wouldn't be super pumped if we traded him for Lindholm but the value certainly favors Calgary in that deal and would make our defense scary. Looking st our prospects though I think we have more coming on our back end then up front. Rather not trade Bennett but if Lindholm is the return the Flames top 4 would be the best in the league. Backlund would need to be extended for that trade to work.

Also Duck fans would laugh at our suggestion on a 1 for 1 swap of those 2 players. Funny though when you see the HF thread on Nylander most Leaf fans ask for Hamilton+ which is obviously ridiculous. Nylander is further along than Bemmy and Lindholm/Hamilton are pretty much on par with one another

theslymonkey · 05-30-2017, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wouldn't be super pumped if we traded him for Lindholm but the value certainly favors Calgary in that deal and would make our defense scary. Looking st our prospects though I think we have more coming on our back end then up front. Rather not trade Bennett but if Lindholm is the return the Flames top 4 would be the best in the league. Backlund would need to be extended for that trade to work.

Also Duck fans would laugh at our suggestion on a 1 for 1 swap of those 2 players. Funny though when you see the HF thread on Nylander most Leaf fans ask for Hamilton+ which is obviously ridiculous. Nylander is further along than Bemmy and Lindholm/Hamilton are pretty much on par with one another

The biggest difference is that Nylander is a winger. Bennett is an excellent winger, but he's has 1/2 center potential. Sure, today Nylander is better, but only because Bennett is being developed into the more valuable position player.

Lindholm on the other hand is already a 1/2 D that still has more upside. Today the Leafs or Flames make that trade because Lindholm's value is at the point where they hope Bennett or Nylander could be. I don't want to trade Bennett either, but you make that trade if it's available.

theslymonkey · 05-30-2017, 01:16 PM

PS, I don't make the trade for Vatanen in any form if it involves Bennett. It would be stupid.

Vinny01 · 05-30-2017, 01:35 PM

Leaf fans argue that Nylander is a center as well but since they are so deep they needed to shift him to the wing. If the Flames landed Matthews instead of Tkachuk last summer I assume Bennett would have remained on the wing as well.

Rick M. · 05-30-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wouldn't be super pumped if we traded him for Lindholm but the value certainly favors Calgary in that deal and would make our defense scary. Looking st our prospects though I think we have more coming on our back end then up front. Rather not trade Bennett but if Lindholm is the return the Flames top 4 would be the best in the league. Backlund would need to be extended for that trade to work.

Also Duck fans would laugh at our suggestion on a 1 for 1 swap of those 2 players. Funny though when you see the HF thread on Nylander most Leaf fans ask for Hamilton+ which is obviously ridiculous. Nylander is further along than Bemmy and Lindholm/Hamilton are pretty much on par with one another

So you think we should protect 4 defencemen in the expansion draft?

jayswin · 05-30-2017, 01:52 PM

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So you think we should protect 4 defencemen in the expansion draft?

I think everyone keeps forgetting this. Anaheim is looking to trade a D-man before the expansion draft for the very reason that Calgary wouldn't want another D-man until after the expansion draft.

dissentowner · 05-30-2017, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Leaf fans argue that Nylander is a center as well but since they are so deep they needed to shift him to the wing. If the Flames landed Matthews instead of Tkachuk last summer I assume Bennett would have remained on the wing as well.

Leaf fans also argue that Nylander is better than McDavid. As bad as Oiler fans are they can't hold a candle to the idiocy that is Leaf nation.

Roof-Daddy · 05-30-2017, 02:26 PM

Oh Leaf fans are TURRIBLE

"blah blah blah the BIG 3 blah blah blah the BIG 3 blah blah blah the BIG 3 are better than anything on the entire Flames roster blah blah blah the BIG 3"

Vinny01 · 05-30-2017, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick M.

So you think we should protect 4 defencemen in the expansion draft?

No the deal would have to be after the expansion draft. Or we would need confirmation Ferland and Lazar would be safe if we went 4-4-1

Weitz · 05-30-2017, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theslymonkey

The biggest difference is that Nylander is a winger. Bennett is an excellent winger, but he's has 1/2 center potential. Sure, today Nylander is better, but only because Bennett is being developed into the more valuable position player.

Lindholm on the other hand is already a 1/2 D that still has more upside. Today the Leafs or Flames make that trade because Lindholm's value is at the point where they hope Bennett or Nylander could be. I don't want to trade Bennett either, but you make that trade if it's available.

Nylander is getting the Bennett treatment. He is a center playing as a winger. But much better than Bennett.

You are not getting Lindholm for Bennett. As bad as it sounds you are likely not getting Vatanen for Bennett.

By you I mean the Flames or anyone else in the Pacific if they had Bennett. Vatanen will go east.

theslymonkey · 05-30-2017, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Nylander is getting the Bennett treatment. He is a center playing as a winger. But much better than Bennett.

You are not getting Lindholm for Bennett. As bad as it sounds you are likely not getting Vatanen for Bennett.

By you I mean the Flames or anyone else in the Pacific if they had Bennett. Vatanen will go east.

Bennett played 3C all year. So technically, the "Bennett treatment" would be playing center which Nylander definitely is not.

As a Flames fan I only move Bennett for Lindholm, otherwise I remain patient and allow him to grow. Vatanen is overrtated and will probably do better in the east anyway.

theslymonkey · 05-30-2017, 04:49 PM

And as was said earlier, the point it moot because the Flames D protection spots are full. There's no deal to be made here.

Textcritic · 05-30-2017, 05:02 PM

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Nylander is getting the Bennett treatment. He is a center playing as a winger. But much better than Bennett...

The "Bennett Treatment"™ as a designation inticates when a centre is regularly deployed as a winger. It was named for Sam Bennett who is a centre that played his entire second NHL season as a centre.

Makes sense.

Weitz · 05-30-2017, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

The "Bennett Treatment"™ as a designation inticates when a centre is regularly deployed as a winger. It was named for Sam Bennett who is a centre that played his entire second NHL season as a centre.

Makes sense.

How much of his first NHL season did he play at center?

Because your second NHL season has no place in this discussion?

theslymonkey · 05-30-2017, 05:13 PM

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How much of his first NHL season did he play at center?

Because your second NHL season has no place in this discussion?

You're kidding right?

Weitz · 05-30-2017, 05:18 PM

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You're kidding right?

Why?

Both guys were drafted as a center, both played wing primarily in their first NHL season. Nylander was much better than Bennett in his first year.

Textcritic was talking about the second season of Bennett which I wasn't talking about.

theslymonkey · 05-30-2017, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Nylander is getting the Bennett treatment. He is a center playing as a winger. But much better than Bennett.

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Why?

Both guys were drafted as a center, both played wing primarily in their first NHL season. Nylander was much better than Bennett in his first year.

Textcritic was talking about the second season of Bennett which I wasn't talking about.

Nope, you made a blanket statement that Bennett is a center playing as a wing, see above. That was incorrect regardless of what "you meant".

Weitz · 05-30-2017, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Nope, you made a blanket statement that Bennett is a center playing as a wing, see above. That was incorrect regardless of what "you meant".

Only if you can't make the connection that 1 guy has only played 1 season in the NHL and the other has played more. Hence why I referred to the guy who has only played 1 season.

theslymonkey · 05-30-2017, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Only if you can't make the connection that 1 guy has only played 1 season in the NHL and the other has played more. Hence why I referred to the guy who has only played 1 season.

It's not anyone else's responsibility to make the connections that you've made in your own head. State them explicitly or expect to be wrong.

Edit: Nylander has technically played two seasons, or at least enough to knock off two years of his ELC.