2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Love

I would think NYI and STL would gag at those proposals to be honest

In both those cases, Washington has to add IMO.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Lucic at $6 x 3 years - great contract
at $6 x 4 years - decent contract
at $6 x 5 years - ugh, but you have to overpay FAs, so you close your eyes and take it
at $6 x 6 years - that's way too long and is going to suck
at $6 x 7 years - good god, no... that is a serious albatross

Lucic will probably start to slide in the last 2-3 years.

He'll be 34 at the end of the contract. While that's no spring chicken, its not completely unreasonable to expect a guy to be still playing decent at that age.

50/50 maybe.

Unfortunately you have to give out that type of term if you want to sign a guy in his late 20's that is in demand.

There are a lot of contracts around the NHL that go until players are 35+. Lucic's isn't the worst by far.

Comparing to a Flames contract, I think its more likely that Lucic will still be a good NHLer at 34 than Giordano at 38.

[Ashasx]

Start to slide? He'll be halfway down the cliff.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Lucic will probably start to slide in the last 2-3 years.

He'll be 34 at the end of the contract. While that's no spring chicken, its not completely unreasonable to expect a guy to be still playing decent at that age.

50/50 maybe.

Unfortunately you have to give out that type of term if you want to sign a guy in his late 20's that is in demand.

There are a lot of contracts around the NHL that go until players are 35+. Lucic's isn't the worst by far.

Comparing to a Flames contract, I think its more likely that Lucic will still be a good NHLer at 34 than Giordano at 38.

He's a complementary player on a slow decline. It matters not how many players play well into their 30's as the bottom line with this guy is that he's already not a great skater and if he loses one more step he's done. It's a terrible contract no matter how you slice it. You can't give below average skaters like Lucic and Ladd seven year deals on the back side of their primes and not have it blow up in your face.

[ComixZone]

Alzner is the Brouwer of this summer. He's going to get overpaid, and there's good info out there that shows he makes literally every player that is on the ice with him worse.

If we sign Alzner, we're boned. Brouwer + Alzner would account for around 10M in bad/soon to be awful contracts.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Start to slide? He'll be halfway down the cliff.

I still would consider him at his peak until 29-30.

Might see some slide at 31-32.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Alzner is the Brouwer of this summer. He's going to get overpaid, and there's good info out there that shows he makes literally every player that is on the ice with him worse.

If we sign Alzner, we're boned. Brouwer + Alzner would account for around 10M in bad/soon to be awful contracts.

With the way GG likes his righty/lefty D pairings I really can't see any way the Flames target Alzner anyways. Giordano and Brodie are our top 2 left hand D and signing Alzner to a $4-5 + million contract to be the third pairing lefty D doesn't seem like something Tre would do.

Unless of course they would plan on moving Brodie back to the right side I guess.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's a complementary player on a slow decline. It matters not how many players play well into their 30's as the bottom line with this guy is that he's already not a great skater and if he loses one more step he's done. It's a terrible contract no matter how you slice it. You can't give below average skaters like Lucic and Ladd seven year deals on the back side of their primes and not have it blow up in your face.

Smytty and Hartnell were fine through their early 30's. Shane Doan didn't exactly have lightning boots.

There are examples of slow skaters doing well later into their careers.

It's not like Lucic has ever been fast and he still gets things done.

As I said, there are much worse when it comes to term.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Smytty and Hartnell were fine through their early 30's. Shane Doan didn't exactly have lightning boots.

There are examples of slow skaters doing well later into their careers.

It's not like Lucic has ever been fast and he still gets things done.

As I said, there are much worse when it comes to term.

Maybe on term but when you combine term and price for how he plays the game...that contract is going to be an anchor once his body starts breaking down. Which I would hazard a guess as being sooner rather than later.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Hartnell put up 37 goals the season prior to his six year contract taking affect.

In his fifth year of his contract, as a 34 year old, Hartnell put up 13 goals. That's quite the decline in 5 years and I wouldn't necessarily use it as any form of support for Lucic's seven year contract.

Lucic put up 20 goals the season prior to getting his seven year contract. I know it's a pretty stupid way to look at things, but if he declined at the same "pace" as Hartnell, the last years of his contract would see him putting up 7 goals as a 34 year old....with a 6M cap hit.

[united]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Alzner is the Brouwer of this summer. He's going to get overpaid, and there's good info out there that shows he makes literally every player that is on the ice with him worse.

Runner-up to Michael Stone, a third pairing defenceman who's going to get paid like a #3.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Hartnell put up 37 goals the season prior to his six year contract taking affect.

In his fifth year of his contract, as a 34 year old, Hartnell put up 13 goals. That's quite the decline in 5 years and I wouldn't necessarily use it as any form of support for Lucic's seven year contract.

Lucic put up 20 goals the season prior to getting his seven year contract. I know it's a pretty stupid way to look at things, but if he declined at the same "pace" as Hartnell, the last years of his contract would see him putting up 7 goals as a 34 year old....with a 6M cap hit.

Even if Hartnell is breaking down in his 35 year old season, it's not like he did at age 30 or 31.

The point is that Lucic probably won't start his decline until 31-32 and then it will be gradual, not 50 points to 4th liner in one offseaon.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by united

Runner-up to Michael Stone, a third pairing defenceman who's going to get paid like a #3.

Flames need to stay away.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Even if Hartnell is breaking down in his 35 year old season, it's not like he did at age 30 or 31.

The point is that Lucic probably won't start his decline until 31-32 and then it will be gradual, not 50 points to 4th liner in one offseaon.

I don't disagree but this was his 34 year old season, he just turned 35. And you can't predict how gradual it will be.

Corey Perry had 43 goals as a 28 year old. As a 31 year old, he put up 19 this season. Just bad year? Severe decline?

Heatley was 31 when he become a shadow of his formerself. All but done at 32.

Troy Brouwer was putting up 25 goals when he was 28, this season he put up 13 with the Flames as 31 year old.

At 28, Curtis Glencross was a 24 goal scorer. By 32 he was out of the league.

For every Jagr or Lidstrom, there's probably 10x the players who have a sharp decline after 30. Give a player with his playstyle, the potential for injuries and deterioration, and I think Lucic is a great candidate for falling off the map before his contract is up.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Flames need to stay away.

rounded out the top 4 and made the flames a better team.

Need to try and sign him

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I don't disagree but this was his 34 year old season, he just turned 35. And you can't predict how gradual it will be.

Corey Perry had 43 goals as a 28 year old. As a 31 year old, he put up 19 this season. Just bad year? Severe decline?

Heatley was 31 when he become a shadow of his formerself. All but done at 32.

Troy Brouwer was putting up 25 goals when he was 28, this season he put up 13 with the Flames as 31 year old.

At 28, Curtis Glencross was a 24 goal scorer. By 32 he was out of the league.

For every Jagr or Lidstrom, there's probably 10x the players who have a sharp decline after 30. Give a player with his playstyle, the potential for injuries and deterioration, and I think Lucic is a great candidate for falling off the map before his contract is up.

Your argument is ruined when you say "Troy Brouwer was putting up 25 goals when he was 28" when he never scored that many before or after outside of a lockout season.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Flames need to stay away.

If he wants more than 3.25 I agree

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Your argument is ruined when you say "Troy Brouwer was putting up 25 goals when he was 28" when he never scored that many before or after outside of a lockout season.

Uh.

Troy Brouwer scored 25 goals in 2013-2014 when he was 28. Uh?

[rhino]

Why did the trade thread turn into justify Lucic's contract?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Uh.

Troy Brouwer scored 25 goals in 2013-2014 when he was 28. Uh?

When you have a career year but never can match it again, you can't use it as a measuring stick. When the rest of the seasons give a better view of the player.