Explosion at Ariana Grande Concert in England

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by peter12

Sure, but pretty hard to ignore the significant Venn overlap between the two groups. That's just blindness.

Which two groups? Never mind I know your incorrect answer to that question.

Those terrorists are not Muslim. A can't believe grown adults need this told to them over and over again. If you want to try and define them, they are largely young, male, and marginalized by society.

Therefore, given the duty that snufleupagus believes people should have, young people, males and those marginalized by society should denounce this bombing or they are awful human beings.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Which two groups? Never mind I know your incorrect answer to that question.

Those terrorists are not Muslim. A can't believe grown adults need this told to them over and over again. If you want to try and define them, they are largely young, male, and marginalized by society.

Therefore, given the duty that snufleupagus believes people should have, young people, males and those marginalized by society should denounce this bombing or they are awful human beings.

Well, I was right about the blindness.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

In the words of Archie Bunker - whatever!

deep. Really thought provoking really.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Which two groups? Never mind I know your incorrect answer to that question.

Those terrorists are not Muslim. A can't believe grown adults need this told to them over and over again. If you want to try and define them, they are largely young, male, and marginalized by society.

Therefore, given the duty that snufleupagus believes people should have, young people, males and those marginalized by society should denounce this bombing or they are awful human beings.

I'm confused now. They aren't Muslim? ISIS isn't Muslim?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Ok pal I will. And by the way it's not the only group killing people.

I trust, that to be consistent with this way of thinking you go way out of your way to find a microphone and denounce whatever was behind whatever murder in Calgary when the person who did it is within your race or religion?

Is this the way you justify problem's within the Islamic religion by pointing out murders over drugs, greed or other social problems like they're the same thing?

What other group are you talking about? the only other "group" of people killing masses of others are drug gangs and you won't see one of them brainwashed enough to fill their body with explosives and commit suicide either.

I feel like I'm arguing with a plant!

[afc wimbledon]

So Peter how about them Hapsburgs eh, what a dynasty!!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

But yet, there's only one group of people on the planet right now strapping bombs to themselves and murdering masses of innocent people.

Sure pal, keep telling yourself that Islam isn't the problem.

You're the same guy who was posting white nationalist propaganda videos a few months ago. One of your guys just stabbed 2 people to death, yet you're eerily silent on the issue.

It's time people who promote white nationalist content stand up against violence against minorities.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You're the same guy who was posting white nationalist propaganda videos a few months ago. One of your guys just stabbed 2 people to death, yet you're eerily silent on the issue.

It's time people who promote white nationalist content stand up against violence against minorities.

Anti sharia law videos are now white nationalist content? and the idiot in Portland wasn't one of "my guys" and to suggest so is offensive.

BTW, not that it really matters much but do you think my race is white?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

and the idiot in Portland wasn't one of "my guys" and to suggest so is offensive.

The vast majority of Muslims feel the same way about ISIS et al and state so. Emphatically. They denounce ISIS's crimes. Despite your ignorance to this.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

So Peter how about them Hapsburgs eh, what a dynasty!!

Crazy noses, right?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Anti sharia law videos are now white nationalist content? and the idiot in Portland wasn't one of "my guys" and to suggest so is offensive.

Are you working hard to denounce his actions?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Anti sharia law videos are now white nationalist content? and the idiot in Portland wasn't one of "my guys" and to suggest so is offensive.

BTW, not that it really matters much but do you think my race is white?

As I pointed out to you at the time, the video(s) was a propaganda piece (meant to make you believe a very particular thing) put together by British white nationalists and posted on a white nationalist YouTube channel. But you already knew that, or at least seem pretty comfortable defending your YouTube history despite being shown why those videos weren't just "anti-sharia law videos" but actually racist videos specifically designed to spread anti-Muslim bigotry and hate. Feel free to condemn that white nationalist propaganda and violence whenever, I'd be happy to admit I'm mistaken.

Interesting though that it's offensive to say a white nationalist is "one of your guys" to someone who posts white nationalist content. It doesn't seem like you hesitate to put responsibility for terrorist on other Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

BTW, not that it really matters much but do you think my race is white?

Because black guys don't quote Archie bunker very often.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Is this the way you justify problem's within the Islamic religion by pointing out murders over drugs, greed or other social problems like they're the same thing?

What other group are you talking about? the only other "group" of people killing masses of others are drug gangs and you won't see one of them brainwashed enough to fill their body with explosives and commit suicide either.

I feel like I'm arguing with a plant!

Haha. What made you think I'm defending anything? I'm pointing out that radicalized marginalized 20 year olds radicalized by isis don't have a monopoly on killing people. So I'm curious why you require a standard from the imam that you do not expect from anyone else, including yourself. Unless you were part of a movement to drive down to the superstore and denounce those killings.

Islam is not responsible for isis. The aholes in isis are responsible for isis. The vast, vast majority of muslims denounce what isis is doing and that imam isn't any more responsible for what happened than you are for the murders on 130th ave.

Go ahead an ignore the majority of my points and comments and pick on one little thing to side track the discussion. Your bigotry requires it.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Haha. What made you think I'm defending anything? I'm pointing out that radicalized marginalized 20 year olds radicalized by isis don't have a monopoly on killing people. So I'm curious why you require a standard from the imam that you do not expect from anyone else, including yourself. Unless you were part of a movement to drive down to the superstore and denounce those killings.

Islam is not responsible for isis. The aholes in isis are responsible for isis. The vast, vast majority of muslims denounce what isis is doing and that imam isn't any more responsible for what happened than you are for the murders on 130th ave.

Go ahead an ignore the majority of my points and comments and pick on one little thing to side track the discussion. Your bigotry requires it.

Exactly

There are 1.6 billion people who identify as Muslim... only a very tiny % of that vast number approve of what Isis is doing... and most of those people are disenfranchised and seeking ways of lashing out at the world for perceived slights or just angry at their current situation

If one looked at all the fringes of other religions, like Christianity, there would be undoubtedly things that the vast majority of the 2.2 billion Christians disagree with, like the murder of abortion providers.

Those on the lunatic fringe has always existed... with the availability of modern weapons and the internet, the ability to live and die in infamy is much more appealing and possible for those willing to commit atrocities.

Modern technology has provided the ability to create maximum carnage and have that event cause ripples through the entire world new cycle... something simply not possible before the advent of things like the internet/24 news cycles and modern weapons

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Islam is not responsible for isis. The aholes in isis are responsible for isis. The vast, vast majority of muslims denounce what isis is doing and that imam isn't any more responsible for what happened than you are for the murders on 130th ave.

Yeah imam's are awesome! all they do is preach harmony

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...sque-1.4037397

http://news.nationalpost.com/holy-po...ead-of-harmony

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-channels.html

http://tarekfatah.com/mosque-imams-a...r-non-muslims/

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Exactly

There are 1.6 billion people who identify as Muslim... only a very tiny % of that vast number approve of what Isis is doing... and most of those people are disenfranchised and seeking ways of lashing out at the world for perceived slights or just angry at their current situation

If one looked at all the fringes of other religions, like Christianity, there would be undoubtedly things that the vast majority of the 2.2 billion Christians disagree with, like the

Not that tiny

[peter12]

As always, on point.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dange...itish-muslims/

Trustee of Didsbury mosque Farzi Haffar has previously sent a number of inflammatory anti-semitic tweets, including one that states: “The more these radical and fundamental #Jewish invaders attack #Moslem and #Christian #Arab holy areas in Palestine, the more hate there is.”
In another, he retweeted someone writing about “joy/applause for breaking taboo, comparing Israelis to Nazis”.

Didsbury mosque has also hosted speakers with anti-Semitic, homophobic, and other worrying views. Among them have been Abdullah Hakim Quick, Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari, and Abu Eesa Niamatullah.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Yeah imam's are awesome! all they do is preach harmony

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...sque-1.4037397

http://news.nationalpost.com/holy-po...ead-of-harmony

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-channels.html

http://tarekfatah.com/mosque-imams-a...r-non-muslims/

Hahaha. Deep. And you think arguing with me is like arguing with a plant? You seriously said nothing and just post 5 links. Remember the time your reply was "Whatever"? This is almost as funny.

I bet I can dig out 5 links that can support that the Earth is flat, abortion is bad, abortion is good and that Archie bunker wasn't a moron. If your way of going through a thought process or to test a hypothesis is to paste links from a google search ... I got no words. It's like I'm talking to a plant.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Hahaha. Deep. And you think arguing with me is like arguing with a plant? You seriously said nothing and just post 5 links. Remember the time your reply was "Whatever"? This is almost as funny.

I bet I can dig out 5 links that can support that the Earth is flat, abortion is bad, abortion is good and that Archie bunker wasn't a moron. If your way of going through a thought process or to test a hypothesis is to paste links from a google search ... I got no words. It's like I'm talking to a plant.

I mean, at least he's making a case.