Who do you WANT to be the Flames Starting Goalie Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[Roof-Daddy]

The only way I can see it being Elliott over Mason is if Mason's contract demands are too much (mainly term) or he like others doesn't want to sign in CGY and Elliott is willing to take 2 or 3 year deal max.

Elliott costs a 3rd and you ave to wonder if the management/team trust him after the melt down.

Mason costs nothing but will probably want 4 years minimum and is also prone to bad stretches.

I guess I could probably live with Smith as long as all it cost to acquire was something like Stajan + Schneider or McDonald.

Mrazek seems to have completely lost it.


I guess for me it comes down to either Mason or Grubauer if some sort of miracle doesn't occur.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Not in all cases.

Mason and MAF have nearly identical stats over the last 4 seasons, but MAF has played for the contender Pens while Mason played for playoff bubble Philly.

Schneider's stats are top notch, he's played for one of the worst teams n the league over the last 4 seasons in Jersey.

I just think the stats are misleading. If you watched the goalies play the last 2 years, Ryan Miller is the best of the UFA batch, but he has the worst stats. Based on the stats, Brian Elliott looks like a hall of famer, but most of those stats were built up behind a defensive team in St. Louis.

The Canucks without Miller last year would have been Avalanche bad. When you play in front of a terrible team, your save percentage, GAA and QS% is going to take a hit.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, re-signing Ramo proved to be a good move in hindsight, as he was by far the best goalie and was turning the Flames' season around until he got injured.

With that being said, it is at least good to know that Treliving didn't sit on his laurels after the previous season saw the Hiller/Ramo tandem as being good enough, even though they provided the Flames with league average goaltending. I think he would have found a goalie if the Hamilton trade didn't materialize. Elliott seemed like a solid bet, and Johnson was one of the better backups around, having stepped up and backstopped that disastrous Buffalo team while posting a ~.920SV%.

I am not sure what bag of tricks Treliving has up his sleeve, but I imagine it won't be Elliott. If it is Elliott, then I am sure somehow the Flames will bring in someone with a bit more upside and run more of a tandem. I would be 'ok' with that, as Elliott does get on some hot streaks that takes him into the 'elite level'. When he crashes (as he seems to do) then hopefully there will be a solid young goalie to take the reigns.

I am more convinced that Elliott won't be returning at all, however. I think the best bet would be to deal through Vegas and have them select one of the goalies out there that the Flames are looking at, and then bring a Mason or Condon in from the UFA rack. I don't think that Treliving is going to gamble the season completely on a young goalie that seems to be ready for a starting job. He will likely bring in two goalies to play tandem rather than find a bona fide #1 and a backup.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 868904

I just think the stats are misleading. If you watched the goalies play the last 2 years, Ryan Miller is the best of the UFA batch, but he has the worst stats. Based on the stats, Brian Elliott looks like a hall of famer, but most of those stats were built up behind a defensive team in St. Louis.

The Canucks without Miller last year would have been Avalanche bad. When you play in front of a terrible team, your save percentage, GAA and QS% is going to take a hit.

Yet Millers stats when he played for the Blues are abysmal while Elliots on the same team were being propped up?

Stats never tell the whole story i agree about that.

[Duffalufagus]

It will be the same two we had last year.

[Realistic]

With the Penguins going with Murray in Game 7 tonight it looks like they have turned the page on Fleury. I wouldn't mind getting him if the price was right, he has 2 years left at $5.75 million, gives a chance for one of the younger ones to either continue to develop or time for the Flames to get someone longer term.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yet Millers stats when he played for the Blues are abysmal while Elliots on the same team were being propped up?

Stats never tell the whole story i agree about that.

There are circumstances there however as Miller was traded at the deadline and it was quite the adjustment for him going from Buffalo to St. Louis.

It's one of the reasons Miller didn't want to get moved this trade deadline. He is a very particular goalie.

I know Miller was going from a bad Buffalo team to a good St. Louis team, but it is still an adjustment. The adjustment factor to a new team can't be disregarded, it's a reason why number 1 goalies don't usually get traded at the deadline because there isn't time to adjust to the new team. Look at how much time it took Elliott to adjust to Calgary from St. Louis.

[Flamefan1]

Elliot is our best bet especially if we risk losing Gillies, Parsons or our 1st round pick this year. Our team cannot give up our first round picks for goalie re-treads. We need to continue building our top end prospects. If Brad can pry a proven goalie for a 3rd round pick and a couple of low end prospects that will be ok, but Gillies IMO should be the back up this year.

[driveway]

I really want Steve Mason.

Steve Mason is an Elite Goaltender (September, 2015)

Steve Mason is Great, not Good (September, 2015)

One Reason for Steve Mason's Recent Dominance (December, 2016)

Steve Mason Deserves Better (April, 2017)

[Vinny01]

I take Steve Mason over Brain Elliott all day every day. 4 years younger, has played a heavy workload in the past, and doesn't cost the Flames a pick. If the Flames Go the UFA route opposed to trade Mason is the guy.

I certainly want nothing to do with trading our 1st or Gillies for Grubauer

[Roof-Daddy]

Took me 2 weeks to decide.

Finally cast a vote for Mason.

[Realistic]

After some more thought, I am changing my vote to Steve Mason as well. I was thinking Fleury might change his mind about coming to Calgary after realizing that he didn't fit into Pittsburgh's future plans but I really don't want a goaltender who really doesn't want to be here.

Hopefully Mason does and Treliving can put together a compelling offer and come July 1 we can start looking forward to next season.

[Sandman]

I'm voting Mason too, but only cuz driveway, Vinny, and Roof-Daddy say so.

Really though, he's the best option-he's played on a bad team for several years and put up fantastic numbers, plus he's not too old. I just wonder about those years in Columbus when he couldn't stop a beachball....

[Vinny01]

Doesnthe Hiller contract work for Mason? 2 years $9M

[iloveicedhockey]

Given just how difficult it is to find that no. 1 guy, it seems we need to take a chance on either a number two with number one potential or a duby like player and hope it works out. My list of 'ok let's give them a chance' includes Hans Gruber, raanta, mason, Miller, Smith or mrazek.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Doesnthe Hiller contract work for Mason? 2 years $9M

I don't see how Mason would deserve more than $3-3.5 million. He's been very meh for most of his NHL career.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i think mason is definitely an option...

i did vote Raanta first however, but Mason would be a guy i'd be happy with too

[Roof-Daddy]

Mason's last contract was a 3 year $12.3 million deal ($4.1 million AAV)

His numbers over those three years (155 starts, 0.918 sv%, 2.45 GAA) don't suggest that he'll be taking a pay cut but I guess we will see.

Bishop just signed a $30 million dollar deal, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mason get close to $20 million total, but I suppose the market will decide that. I could see a 4 x $4.5 million or something like that ($18 million total).

By all accounts he wants to be the undisputed starter, and the only places he can currently go to get that are Calgary and Vegas.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Unless it is a franchise goalie with a lot of good years left in him the Flames should not even remotely entertain offers on Parsons.

Agree. It screams Rask for Raycroft.

Originally Posted by Toonage

If it is Elliott (and yeah, it probably is) then let's all hope its record breaking Elliott and not October/November/end of April or vs. Ducks, Elliott.

I just can't see it. It looks so bad bringing back the guy who cost the team the playoffs, add in the 3rd round pick and it's a non starter. If BT doesn't go the Talbot route with Grubauer/Raanta, Mason might be the best option.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Mason suffers from the same issues as Elliott in that he can have prolonged periods of below average play and can meltdown to below AHL level goaltending at times. He can also be lights out for long stretches and carry his team at times.

However, Mason doesn't cost us a 3rd round pick to sign, but he will likely cost more in terms of AAV and term to sign than Elliott. I would imagine he will want 3-4 years and at least $4.5 million. Elliott would be happy to have a 2 year deal at $3 million at this point.

If those are the two best options, I'm not sure which one I would pick. Either starter would require a backup like Johnson who can take the net for long stretches if needed.

Basically, I don't have an answer for the starter, but I would still like to have Johnson back as the backup.