Congrats Isis. You killed a bunch of pre-teen and teen girls at a sing-a-long concert. I'm sure your "God'' will welcome you with open arm for a brave job well done.
Trump is right, you guys are just ####ing losers
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The IRA never accepted outsiders, they were like the Mafia, as such while their philosophy was massively attractive to rebellious lefties in the late 60's and seventies there was never any way to join or ally with them unless you were born and bred catholic Irish, within that small group they vacuumed up every single possible recruit.
If you grew up in left wing circles in the 70's though you had pictures of Che and Bobby Sands, the Black Panthers on your walls, most grew out of it, a few joined the weathermen or the Squamish five or the Bader Mienhoff gang, the Red Army Faction, there has always been an attraction to a small number of people for these kinds of activities, the internet and 24 hour news cycle has increased the perception of its importance to the deluded numpties (and the rest of us frankly) than it used to have.
They did accept financing and weaponry from outsiders. I know Polish, Ukrainian and Croatian Catholics that supported the IRA financially.
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They're just kids enjoying music they love. Just terrible. Breaks my heart and enrages me all at the same time.
This is so true and so sad when you think of all the stories probably behind this. You know when it is a big artist like this kids probably waited months if not years to see (maybe even got tickets as a surprise for Christmas) and for this to happen as a parent just makes me want to cry thinking about all the wonderful young people, that were their for a memorable unforgettable night they were looking forward to sharing with their friends at school the next day, vanish just like that.
What is the issue here? That Islamic terrorism is the only problem? Or something else?
The issue is that Islam is an agony over its inability to adapt to a modern, secular world. In the absence of a Reformation or an Enlightenment in their religion, hundreds of millions of devout Muslims regard the modern world with abhorrence. They utterly reject secular law and liberal society. You have to go back at least two centuries in the history of Christianity to find such dogmatic zeal.
This ferociously reactionary brand of religion has spawned a political movement that wants to burn down the world. And the people preaching that brand of religion have become adept at tailoring its message to alienated young men who smoulder with resentment at their low status in the world.
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That radicalization of any ideology is a problem?
The fact it could happen to any ideology, or has in the past, isn't relevant. It is happening in Islam now. Equivocation is spineless and delusional. It's like saying since people are murdered in both Oslo and Caracas, that its bigoted to talk about murder in Caracas as a bigger problem than murder in Oslo.
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How do we begin to solve these issues?
By recognizing that there's a struggle going on within Islam, and we need to support those who reject the ultra-reactionary strain of their religion. That means setting aside the blinding hypocrisy with which so many in the West excuse brutally oppressive and misogynist attitudes under the auspices of cultural tolerance. Stand up for liberal values everywhere, not just against fundamentalist Christians.
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The IRA never accepted outsiders, they were like the Mafia, as such while their philosophy was massively attractive to rebellious lefties in the late 60's and seventies there was never any way to join or ally with them unless you were born and bred catholic Irish, within that small group they vacuumed up every single possible recruit.
There was no IRA to speak off in the 60s. Unless you are referring to the stickies.
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If you grew up in left wing circles in the 70's though you had pictures of Che and Bobby Sands, the Black Panthers on your walls,
There was no IRA to speak off in the 60s. Unless you are referring to the stickies.
No-one had heard of Bobby Sands in the 70s.
Ok then Bernadette Devlin work for you then?
it was probably the lack of identifiable figures within the IRA that reduced their attraction to some degree, as opposed to the Black Panthers or BMG that were the darlings of the media
And the troubles were started in 68, by 69 the IRA emerged, I'm old enough to remember that era in a lefty family, the black beret and sun glasses was already a powerful image, not up with a pink PLO headscarf but steadily gaining traction.
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The same family lost their twin daughters to ISIL as well. Trained to be Doctors they instead fled to Syria. The family moved back to Lebanon after that, the sons stayed behind in the UK.
it was probably the lack of identifiable figures within the IRA that reduced their attraction to some degree, as opposed to the Black Panthers or BMG that were the darlings of the media
Does anybody else think there could be a potential link between this ISIS attack and the Trump/Russia intelligence fiasco?
Is it possible the Israeli operative inside ISIS is comprised and as a result, ISIS moves up plans for another attack?
Who knows.
At this stage ISIS is getting its arse handed to it on a plate in Iraq and Syria, what we are seeing is random nutters claiming ISIS allegiance, we will have to put up with this for a while, ironically 'we' are winning the ISIS Al Queda war, as these organisations are droned out of existence their attraction to idiots will also degrade, we will have to go through a decade or so of idiocy though waiting for their power to wane.
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The issue is that Islam is an agony over its inability to adapt to a modern, secular world. In the absence of a Reformation or an Enlightenment in their religion, hundreds of millions of devout Muslims regard the modern world with abhorrence. They utterly reject secular law and liberal society. You have to go back at least two centuries in the history of Christianity to find such dogmatic zeal.
This ferociously reactionary brand of religion has spawned a political movement that wants to burn down the world. And the people preaching that brand of religion have become adept at tailoring its message to alienated young men who smoulder with resentment at their low status in the world.
The fact it could happen to any ideology, or has in the past, isn't relevant. It is happening in Islam now. Equivocation is spineless and delusional. It's like saying since people are murdered in both Oslo and Caracas, that its bigoted to talk about murder in Caracas as a bigger problem than murder Oslo.
By recognizing that there's a struggle going on within Islam, and we need to support those who reject the ultra-reactionary strain of their religion. That means setting aside the blinding hypocrisy with which so many in the West excuse brutally oppressive and misogynist attitudes under the auspices of cultural tolerance. Stand up for liberal values everywhere, not just against fundamentalist Christians.
I don't think it is accurate to characterize that Islam has not gone through a reformation, nor is it accurate to suggest that the lack of reformation has made the religion more violent. The religious wars following the Protestant reformation were the bloodiest conflicts europe had ever seen until the first and second world war.
The Protestant reformation was one of the more violent epochs in Christianity and Islam has arguably gone through their reformation, even if we don't like how it has reformed itself.
A serious student of history could argue what we are currently experiencing is the result of a second Islamic reformation in the 19th century.
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I don't think it is accurate to characterize that Islam has not gone through a reformation, nor is it accurate to suggest that the lack of reformation has made the religion more violent. The religious wars following the Protestant reformation were the bloodiest conflicts europe had ever seen until the first and second world war.
Which is why I specified Reformation and Enlightenment. The West used the ideals of reason and liberty cultivated in the Enlightenment to reconcile private faith and public secularism. Christians learned that their good book took a back seat to the laws of the state. That's why even fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. fight their battles in the courts and at the ballot box, instead of in the streets with grenades and public executions. They accept that the Constitution has primacy over the Bible.
Most Muslims in the world do not accept the primacy of the state or of secular law. That is a massive problem - likely an insurmountable barrier to Muslim-majority states becoming prosperous, liberal democracies.
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I wonder how many Calgarypuckers woud be proponents of a Donald Trump-esque travel/immigration moratorium right now if this heinous mass-murder happened at the Saddledome...
I wonder how many Calgarypuckers woud be proponents of a Donald Trump-esque travel/immigration moratorium right now if this heinous mass-murder happened at the Saddledome...
At least 1?
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[QUOTE=Clarkey;6268975]I wonder how many Calgarypuckers woud be proponents of a Donald Trump-esque travel/immigration moratorium right now if this heinous mass-murder happened at the Saddledome...[/
Nope, why buy into the fear.
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