2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

I don't think tweaks are a bad thing at the deadline. Sutter made some key moves in 04 bringing in Nilsson and Simon (Nieminen as well?)

I think the Stone move was huge for Calgary this year. Gaborik for the Kings, Eaves was amazing for the Ducks pre injury

Where teams make mistakes is the big fish rental. Steer clear of giving up first round picks and getting a guy that needs a massive role on the team. Role players are typically the best pickups.

[iloveicedhockey]

Apologies, you're right.

Agree on the big fish trade too. Ladd didn't work last year either.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Apologies, you're right.

Just makes your point even better.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

I don't think we make the playoffs without trading for stone so it's a toss up of a (short) playoff run or a second rounder.

I thought the price they paid for hanzal was high at the time.

Yes but the hope is that wont be just a rental. Same with Lazar

[iloveicedhockey]

It's definitely worth it on those instances when those deals so give the team an edge in resigning the UFA, like I think it will with stone.

Optimistic that lazar turns into a good deal too.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by codynw

Gaborik was pretty great for the Kings in 2014.

Carolina probably doesn't have any regrets trading for Weight.
Edmonton acquiring Roloson as well.
Pittsburgh picked up Hossa and went to the finals.
Detroit traded for Brad Stuart when they won. Only a 2nd and a 4th so smaller than the other trades.
Bruins picked up Kaberle.
Chicago got Vermette
Kings Gaborik.

That's all the teams that made a big/costly trade at the deadline and went on to make the finals. Pittsburgh and Edmonton never won the cup, but at the very least the owners would be happy with a trade that helped make them a lot more money.

7 out of 22 teams have made a big deadline deal and subsequently made the finals since 05/06.

For the teams that traded first round picks, the teams that got burned the worst were Edmonton whose first became Trevor Lewis and Boston whose first became Richard Rakell somehow.... Toronto must have flipped the pick to Anaheim. All the other picks ended up being busts.

So I think if you are a strong contender and your GM feels like you may have a limited window, it probably doesn't hurt too much to trade a first for a good player to stock up the roster.

That player probably isn't going to help you for 5 years, if ever.

I guess it looks bad if your team flames out early, but at least you tried.

Washington for example. I think getting Shattenkirk was the right play. Backstrom is 28 and Ovechkin 30. If that 1st rounder turns into a top six forward 5 years down the road, does that get them closer to the Cup?

Obviously you can't be trading your first rounder every season unless you are the Rangers but trading a 1st at the deadline I think can have merit in the right situation.

Of course if you want to maximize your value on a 1st rounder you are better off trading it for a player right before the draft. Draft picks are worth the most then.

[Enoch Root]

Butch Goring crystalized the Islanders into the dynasty they became.

It can work, it usually doesn't. But if you have a legitimate shot, and you think you can fill one more hole, you would be crazy not to try.

[Anduril]

A bit of more narrow view but a post that looks at all the Cup winners' trade deadline moves.

If we're talking strictly cup winners, adding depth pieces that could step up and contribute if necessary is more realistic. Problem with swinging for the fences like Hanzel and Shattenkirk is the ridiculous cost given the late season adjustment these players have to make. I'm personally of the opinion that it's not worth it.

[sureLoss]

Friedman says that the Stars might move 3rd overall for an established d-man. Mentioned the Ducks and Wild in particular who don't have a 1st.

[Poe969]

So the rights to Wideman for third overall??

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman says that the Stars might move 3rd overall for an established d-man. Mentioned the Ducks and Wild in particular who don't have a 1st.

Really hope no one does the Ducks a favour.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Carolina probably doesn't have any regrets trading for Weight.
Edmonton acquiring Roloson as well.
Pittsburgh picked up Hossa and went to the finals.
Detroit traded for Brad Stuart when they won. Only a 2nd and a 4th so smaller than the other trades.
Bruins picked up Kaberle.
Chicago got Vermette
Kings Gaborik.

I don't know about the other moves but being a big Kaberle fan I watched him play on that run and the Bruins won despite of him.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don't think tweaks are a bad thing at the deadline. Sutter made some key moves in 04 bringing in Nilsson and Simon (Nieminen as well?)

I think the Stone move was huge for Calgary this year. Gaborik for the Kings, Eaves was amazing for the Ducks pre injury

Where teams make mistakes is the big fish rental. Steer clear of giving up first round picks and getting a guy that needs a massive role on the team. Role players are typically the best pickups.

Leafs picking up Boyle worked out pretty well too. When they picked up him they went on a big run.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman says that the Stars might move 3rd overall for an established d-man. Mentioned the Ducks and Wild in particular who don't have a 1st.

Lots of talk out here if Canucks should consider moving Tanev, for that 3rd overall pick. Not sure if that's something that Dallas would consider or if Canucks would do, but could be a fit here especially if Canucks take Niemi back.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Carolina probably doesn't have any regrets trading for Weight.
Edmonton acquiring Roloson as well.
Pittsburgh picked up Hossa and went to the finals.
Detroit traded for Brad Stuart when they won. Only a 2nd and a 4th so smaller than the other trades.
Bruins picked up Kaberle.
Chicago got Vermette
Kings Gaborik.

That's all the teams that made a big/costly trade at the deadline and went on to make the finals. Pittsburgh and Edmonton never won the cup, but at the very least the owners would be happy with a trade that helped make them a lot more money.

7 out of 22 teams have made a big deadline deal and subsequently made the finals since 05/06.

For the teams that traded first round picks, the teams that got burned the worst were Edmonton whose first became Trevor Lewis and Boston whose first became Richard Rakell somehow.... Toronto must have flipped the pick to Anaheim. All the other picks ended up being busts.

So I think if you are a strong contender and your GM feels like you may have a limited window, it probably doesn't hurt too much to trade a first for a good player to stock up the roster.

That player probably isn't going to help you for 5 years, if ever.

I guess it looks bad if your team flames out early, but at least you tried.

Washington for example. I think getting Shattenkirk was the right play. Backstrom is 28 and Ovechkin 30. If that 1st rounder turns into a top six forward 5 years down the road, does that get them closer to the Cup?

Obviously you can't be trading your first rounder every season unless you are the Rangers but trading a 1st at the deadline I think can have merit in the right situation.

Of course if you want to maximize your value on a 1st rounder you are better off trading it for a player right before the draft. Draft picks are worth the most then.

Keeping in mind that much like the traded draft picks that don't pan out, different circumstances can lead to different development. However, a relevant counter argument to the above is: could you imagine where the Capitals would be this year if they had not tried to make a deadline splash by trading Forsberg for Martin Erat?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman says that the Stars might move 3rd overall for an established d-man. Mentioned the Ducks and Wild in particular who don't have a 1st.

Wow, maybe not the correct long term move but if they do it Dallas could catapult right to contender status next season with the additions of Bishop and whatever they get for 3rd overall.

[David Struch]

To Flames: Kari Lehtonen + 3rd overall

To Stars: Mark Giordano

Owen Tippett is the answer to Calgary's top line RW woes.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by David Struch

To Flames: Kari Lehtonen + 3rd overall

To Stars: Mark Giordano

Owen Tippett is the answer to Calgary's top line RW woes.

If Calgary made that trade and used the 3rd overall to select Owen Tippett then that would qualify as the stupidest move this franchise has made since Ruslan Zainullin for Marc Savard.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by David Struch

To Flames: Kari Lehtonen + 3rd overall

To Stars: Mark Giordano

Owen Tippett is the answer to Calgary's top line RW woes.

Dallas adds Johns and Honka.
Calgary wouldn't draft Tippet at 3 btw.

[Roof-Daddy]

It wouldn't be draft time without nutbar proposals for top 5 picks