2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Toonage]

Remember when Versteeg was signed the day before the regular season started and he hadn't practiced with any of his teammates so they stuck him on the first line with Gaudreau (who missed camp) and Monahan (who missed almost all of camp)?

Good times.

[DirtyMike]

Originally Posted by Demetric

if Brouwer and a 1st is the start of a deal for Nino that would be awesome

But it would have to happen soon to make sense

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It's really hard to say, but my guess is 1st, Ferland and a good defense prospect like Kylington or Fox. Or they will ask for Bennett+ and not look at getting pick if they can get a very good young player.

All for Niederreiter? Please dear god, if this is the ballpark ask for any team..let Minnesota keep the guy.

I'm guessing a first round pick and some useless throw in would be more realistic.

[The Fonz]

I feel like people are over-valuing Nino. The 16th pick, Ferland, and a good prospect? For a 2nd line RW? He'll be 25 by training camp, and has 1 season under his belt where he was a legitimate offensive threat (57 points this year, previous best was 43).

We got Cammalleri, a 26yo Center that was 1yr removed from an 80 point season, for the 17th overall pick in 2008.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think you underrate how physical Niederreiter is. Although I agree with Engelland, he needs to be brought back or we need to replace him with someone as (or more) physical.

I'm all for acquiring talent and Niederreiter is talented, I just cringe at the thought of Stajan, Giordano and Bouma being our "tough guys".

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I feel like people are over-valuing Nino. The 16th pick, Ferland, and good prospect? For a 2nd line RW? He'll be 25 by training camp, and has 1 season under his belt where he was a legitimate offensive threat (57 points this year, previous best was 43).

We got Cammalleri, a 26yo Center that was 1yr removed from an 80 point season, for the 17th overall pick in 2008.

Because 20+ goal and 50+ 25 year olds with a physical edge grow on trees grow on trees. You also make is sound like 24 turning 25 is old.

[bigbadboss101]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I'm all for acquiring talent and Niederreiter is talented, I just cringe at the thought of Stajan, Giordano and Bouma being our "tough guys".

Reeves? Prout? This Austin Watson kids is pretty good too :-)

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Because 20+ goal and 50+ 25 year olds with a physical edge grow on trees grow on trees. You also make is sound like 24 turning 25 is old.

Very strange way to take my post.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Since1984

All for Niederreiter? Please dear god, if this is the ballpark ask for any team..let Minnesota keep the guy.

I'm guessing a first round pick and some useless throw in would be more realistic.

that is not even remotely realistic, jesus

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Very strange way to take my post.

How do you figure? He put up 1st line numbers and is just 24. He's what we hope a guy like Bennett will turn into, what would you ask for Bennett in 4 years time? My guess it is a hell of a lot.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

How do you figure? He put up 1st line numbers and is just 24. He's what we hope a guy like Bennett will turn into, what would you ask for Bennett in 4 years time? My guess it is a hell of a lot.

Speaking for myself, I do not hope that 4 years down the road, Bennett has developed into a 50 point RW. To say that Nino's value today is that of Sam Bennett's value in 4 years is just bizarre.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Speaking for myself, I do not hope that 4 years down the road, Bennett has developed into a 50 point RW. To say that Nino's value today is that of Sam Bennett's value in 4 years is just bizarre.

I don't even know why I bother, either you are a whole new level of obtuse, or you are intentionally missing the point and neither are worth my time.

[bax]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Speaking for myself, I do not hope that 4 years down the road, Bennett has developed into a 50 point RW. To say that Nino's value today is that of Sam Bennett's value in 4 years is just bizarre.

Yeah I agree I'm not seeing the fascination with Nino. I would take a gamble on him, but he still has some risk with him especially depending where his contract comes in at.

I would most likely do a 1st and a prospect not named Anderson, Parsons, Jankowski, or Fox but that's about it. It doesn't make sense to over pay when Minnesota will most likely have to deal him regardless.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

From TSN.ca (sorry if this has been covered)
http://www.tsn.ca/wild-owner-i-wish-...anzal-1.755283

"As a result of the Hanzal-White trade and the 2015 trade which brought Chris Stewart to Minnesota, the Wild do not own a pick in either of the first two rounds of June's entry draft."

More fuel to the Niederreiter fire, regardless of what team ponies up for him. They'd love a mid round 1st wouldn't they?

Man the Wild are kind of a mess. Getting older and not better and very little cap space to make any significant changes.

[Samonadreau]

Ya if i was the wild i would try to keep Nino and move someone else.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by gunnner

this board is loaded with short term thinkers. let the team show organic growth. Seemed to me like Johnny was a point game player when Ferland joined that line. Now everyone has Ferland on the 4th line next year. Frick, Backlund would have been sent packing to the KHL by 25 with the current mentality. Let the younger players play significant roles and improve, instead of signing TJ Oshie to a crimpling deal that may or may not make the team better, and could cost you a young player due to a future cap crunch.

How about a little perspective here. Ferland has a nice initial impact when placed on the first line but over time his production dropped as over the last 16 games of the season he put up 3 goals and 2 assists while playing with Monahan and Gaudreau. In the four playoff games 0 goals, 0 assists. He's 25 years old and the organic growth you speak of may cost Gulutzan his job waiting for a bottom 6 player in his prime to blossom into a top line player. He's not the solution for the top line and if he starts the season on the top line I would say it's probably going to be another up and down regular season for this squad. I'm not saying the team needs to run out and sign Oshie but at the very least try Tkachuk or someone else on that line in hopes of getting better production out of two of your highest paid players.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

that is not even remotely realistic, jesus

And neither is yours....a 1st, Ferland AND a Prospect in the vein of Fox/Kylington???

I may be overvaluing the prospect but come on buddy i think you are overvaluing Nino, I do not think he is worth that at all. He may have finally "found" his game but he is no way worth what you were saying.

[GranteedEV]

I worry that Niedderreiter is a product of the Koivu effect, which is not unlike the Mikael Backlund effect. If he "Joe Colborne"s away from Koivu we'd be screwed.

EDIT: Never mind. He actually didn't play with Koivu much.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Because 20+ goal and 50+ 25 year olds with a physical edge grow on trees grow on trees. You also make is sound like 24 turning 25 is old.

There are so many more other factors to consider than player value. Each trade will have different 'dimensions' to it and something like this is no exception - it's a large part of how we got Dougie in the first place. And the expansion draft drastically alters the landscape before even taking things like salary crunch, team fit and roster space into account.

• Minnesota is either going to lose one really good forward or one really good dman, thanks to the draft.
• They also happen to be facing a salary crunch at the exact same time that some of the players they need to resign (like Nino) would push them way over if they got what they deserve.
• He's not as good as Monahan or even close to Gaudreau (on an off year!), so we can assume he will get somewhere in the 5's.
• Minnesota has already publicly said they are actively listening on offers for Nino, hinting that they are looking for a good beneficial solution to help them out.
• Minnesota is missing both their 1st and 2nd round picks this year.
• Us trading a good young expansion exempt player to them and also take back someone we'd have to protect drops value further.

[united]

Nino is an incredible two-way player who can crash and bang too, and is a possession monster. He's basically a more offensively-gifted and more physical version of Frolik. He would fit perfectly on the first line with Gaudreau and Monahan, helping move the puck from the Flames' end to the opposition's end where those two can work their magic.

His offer sheet compensation would be in the 1st + 3rd range, so offer the Wild that so you can sign him longer than five years if desired.