2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Ryan Coke]

The only hope after the game 3 Elliott meltdown was to put Johnson in. Yes, he was cold and hadn't been playing well. But the only hope for the Flames in that series down 0-3 was to put Johnson in, and if he stole the game the team would feel like maybe they could do this with some good goaltending.

There was nothing to lose....the odds of coming back from 0-3 are microscopic to begin with, even worse when you aren't getting any stops. But if you get some goaltending and a win in game 4, it would have rejuvenated the mental state of the team.

Starting Elliott in game 4 was a terrible decision. Bringing him back next year is an even worse decision.

[868904]

A lot of Monday morning quarterbacks here. Easy to criticize when it turns out bad but it's not like Gulutzan just drew the names out of hat. He and the coaching staff, and Burke and Treliving, and Conroy and Pascall probably discussed it at length and weighed the pros and cons of which goalie to start.

I really don't have a problem with the decision to start Elliott, he was the guy who got them there and the healthiest and ready goalie. I also have no problem with pulling him after that goal.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

The only hope after the game 3 Elliott meltdown was to put Johnson in. Yes, he was cold and hadn't been playing well. But the only hope for the Flames in that series down 0-3 was to put Johnson in, and if he stole the game the team would feel like maybe they could do this with some good goaltending.

There was nothing to lose....the odds of coming back from 0-3 are microscopic to begin with, even worse when you aren't getting any stops. But if you get some goaltending and a win in game 4, it would have rejuvenated the mental state of the team.

Starting Elliott in game 4 was a terrible decision. Bringing him back next year is an even worse decision.

Yeah, and if they started Johnson and he was bad, they'd never hear the end of it. Hindsight much?

[Roof-Daddy]

We were screwed and that's all there is to it.

Elliott was in full melt down mode and Johnson hadn't played in ages, hadn't played well when he did get a game and was coming off an injury.

IMO they had to go to Elliott and hope he could bounce back from a crap performance. Kind of like Gibson managed to do after a not so great game 3 himself.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Yeah, and if they started Johnson and he was bad, they'd never hear the end of it. Hindsight much?

In an up and down season where you just made the playoffs after dealing with hot and cold goalies, why wouldn't you take the chance starting Johnson? Especially after the way Elliot Played in game 3? At that point you give the kid a chance at home knowing he's going to start the game.

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by getbak

He doesn't hold all the cards because he has to submit a list of 18 teams he can be traded to. Even if he includes teams that aren't likely interested (like Montreal or Washington), that still gives Rutherford plenty of options.

I don't get this MAF situation. I was under the impression that if he doesn't waive his NMC he has to be protected unless he is bought out by the Penguins so why does he have to submit a list of 18 teams.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by tsquared1967

I don't get this MAF situation. I was under the impression that if he doesn't waive his NMC he has to be protected unless he is bought out by the Penguins so why does he have to submit a list of 18 teams.

He has a NMC and a limited NTC. The NTC does does have any bearing on the expansion draft, thus he has to be protected if he does not waive. However to be traded he has to submit a list of teams he either can or can't be traded to (depending if it is a trade list or no trade list) without him waiving said clause.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

He has a NMC and a limited NTC. The NTC does does have any bearing on the expansion draft, thus he has to be protected if he does not waive. However to be traded he has to submit a list of teams he either can or can't be traded to (depending if it is a trade list or no trade list) without him waiving said clause.

Main thing is he wants to start. He will waive to a starting situation.

[Roof-Daddy]

I have a feeling MAF has already said he's willing to waive his NMC for the expansion draft and that he won't be getting traded anywhere. Pitts will protect Murray, expose MAF and Vegas will take him in the draft.

Of course, there is that wrinkle with Bishop saying he got the impression Vegas was planning on going young with their goaltending, so if that's the case maybe they flip him to Calgary afterwards for some picks/prospects.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I have a feeling MAF has already said he's willing to waive his NMC for the expansion draft and that he won't be getting traded anywhere. Pitts will protect Murray, expose MAF and Vegas will take him in the draft.

Of course, there is that wrinkle with Bishop saying he got the impression Vegas was planning on going young with their goaltending, so if that's the case maybe they flip him to Calgary afterwards for some picks/prospects.

Yeah, I agree with what Getback (I think it was him) said in one of the threads. Where he speculated that Fleury agreed to waive his NMC for Vegas if the Pens agreed to not trade him at the deadline so he had the chance at another cup, since all the teams seeking a starter were ones just starting to be good.

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Yeah, and if they started Johnson and he was bad, they'd never hear the end of it. Hindsight much?

It isn't hindsight. I was stunned they would go back to Elliott in game 4, there was no upside. There absolutely was a chance Johnson would drop the ball and they'd lose. But the only chance they had to mentally recover and make a dent in the series was to put a different tender in and hope he could pull something out.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

We were screwed and that's all there is to it.

Elliott was in full melt down mode and Johnson hadn't played in ages, hadn't played well when he did get a game and was coming off an injury.

IMO they had to go to Elliott and hope he could bounce back from a crap performance. Kind of like Gibson managed to do after a not so great game 3 himself.

Yeah I think starting Elliott was the right decision without the benefit of hindsight. Johnson wasn't even healthy to start the playoffs, hadn't played a game in a while and lets not forget his loss to the Bruins was arguably the worst game by a Flames goaltender all season where every single goal he gave up was butter soft. After that game Gulutzan stopped playing him as he clearly lost confidence in him. He was getting beat on his glove hand side on a regular basis in the 2nd half of the season and without the benefit of witnessing their practices leading up to the game (who knows if he was even looking good in practice) I'm not sure Gulutzan would have had a warm and fuzzy feeling about option B. It's not like the Flames were going to come back and win the series anyway so it's all kind of moot now.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Yeah, and if they started Johnson and he was bad, they'd never hear the end of it. Hindsight much?

It's hindsight now but at the time there were numerous posters suggesting Johnson was the guy to start.

I don't see that it would have made much difference looking back.

[BigFlameDog]

As far as goaltending goes the only real solution is to trade for San Jose's third stringer, sit back and collect cups.

[sureLoss]

Friedman's 30 thoughts:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...-scoring-help/


Summary:

• Nino Niederreitter's name is circulating in trade circles
• Dumba's name is out there too because of expansion draft logjam on the blueline
• Barry Trotz's future isn't secure in Washington
• Blues would be a great spot for Eberle
• Detroit may have interest in Calvin de Haan
• Wonders if Islanders will try for Kovlachuk
• Some people are disputing the reports that Dadanov has decided to go to Vegas. Still considering KHL offers and offers from other NHL teams.
• Former Oiler d-man Anton Belov is considering a return to the NHL, but that would be 1 year from now.

[Ashasx]

Niederreiter would be a smart target for Treliving.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Niederreiter would be a smart target for Treliving.

Agreed. He could be a great fit on the top line

[Toonage]

What would the cost be though? What is Minnesota's need? Just cap space?

[Strange Brew]

Niederreiter is a good target for sure, but I'm sure it would require young assets in return, or draft picks. Flames not exactly dealing from a position of strength.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Niederreiter is a good target for sure, but I'm sure it would require young assets in return, or draft picks. Flames not exactly dealing from a position of strength.

Niederreiter is a young asset himself, so I'd have no problem giving up our 1st and other young assets.