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Old 05-15-2017, 08:52 AM   #3041
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How was she a flawed candidate?
She couldn't get enough people to vote for her.

I don't really mean to sound flippant, but that's kind of it. There are no doubt millions of people thinking now "I really should have voted" or "I should not have voted for Trump" but at the time she didn't convince them. That's a flaw.
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Hillary lost because she was a flawed candidate, which was apparent to Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike. And perhaps too many in the Democratic establishment have elitist views similar to yours, that "voters are stupid".
Actually I think the Democratic establishment had a view that voters are intelligent and will fact check, and were completely wrong. Just by calling it an "elitist view" from the party you already show how much the propaganda machine of the Republicans worked. They are the ones who preyed on the stupidity of voters to accept the slander as fact and not critically think about it. And credit to them it worked like a charm.

The whole idea that Donald Trump is an everyman who isn't an elitist from the upper class is absurd. The Democrats knew this and thought that people were smart enough not to fall for a used car salesman pitch. They were wrong.
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Old 05-15-2017, 08:58 AM   #3043
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Open question to anyone.

What should Hillary have done differently to win the election?
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:09 AM   #3044
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If you guys seriously want to have this conversation again please start a separate thread.
umm guys... please.
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She couldn't get enough people to vote for her.

I don't really mean to sound flippant, but that's kind of it. There are no doubt millions of people thinking now "I really should have voted" or "I should not have voted for Trump" but at the time she didn't convince them. That's a flaw.
She did get more people to vote for her. Didn't she win the popular vote by +3 million? She lost the vote in closely contested states by small margins. I think a lot of people under estimated how close the race was going to be, and as a result didn't bother to vote. Probably more so in those closely contested states.
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Open question to anyone.

What should Hillary have done differently to win the election?
Not be a woman?

America was never ready for a woman president

https://qz.com/832024/2016-president...man-president/

Hillary Clinton didn't lose because of sexism

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...116-story.html

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53 percent of white women favored Trump. Given some of Trump's statements and behaviors toward women, that seems shocking, until you consider the role partisanship plays in American politics.

Make no mistake. At the end of the day, Republicans elected Trump. Without loyal support from Republicans and white Protestant evangelicals, Trump could not have pulled off his upset.

Yet he needed more to win. Trump found his path to victory with the help of white working-class voters in blue states.

But this election was not primarily a referendum on whether America is ready to elect a woman to the presidency. Hillary Clinton brought unique talents and experience to this race, as well as distinct liabilities. Fatally, she was the all-too-familiar face of the establishment in a burn-the-house-down moment.

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Moved to other Trump v Clinton thread

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With all the madness around Trump, I think this comment by the health and human services secretary is a moron who will only make the opiate epidemic far worse.

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Street there is a new thread for the Trump, Hillary debate now.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=162094
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Richard Spencer-led White Supremacist rally to protest the sale of a Robert E Lee statue in Charlottesville, Virginia.

You can tell it's 2017 because they are carrying tiki torches like some suburban house-dads on vacation to instill fear in minority populations.

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North Korea conducted its 10th missile test on Saturday. It was a major turning point in North Korea’s missile program — and potentially its nuclear program too.

The tested projectile, the Hwasong-12, is a brand new intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) in North Korea’s arsenal — and it did better than any missile the country has ever tested. It was purposely shot at a high angle to avoid directly hitting a surrounding country, but it still traveled 489 miles and got as high as 1,312 miles, according to North Korea’s state-run news agency — and landed near Russia. If it were fired properly, it could have traveled about 2,500 miles, according to experts.

This is a really big deal: It means that North Korea’s threats that it can hit US territory aren’t so empty anymore. Guam — which is a US territory and is home to Andersen Air Force Base — is now within Pyongyang’s reach. And according to a North Korean statement (always to be taken with a grain of salt), the Hwasong-12 can carry a nuclear warhead.


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http://www.oregonlive.com/today/inde....html#comments

Not that I believe in this, but it's just an article against Trump that was posted by the Oregonian. It also links to a documentary titled "The Dubious Friends of Donald Trump", which is interesting if you take it at face value.

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Open question to anyone.

What should Hillary have done differently to win the election?
I went to her rally in Tempe, AZ one week before the election thinking.. hmmmm, this makes no sense.

She was overconfident in the swing states and didn't go there at all/nearly enough and that's what cost her the election. She went to Arizona and Nevada to pad her electoral thinking she had it in the bag.

Simple as that
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Not that I believe in this, but it's just an article against Trump that was posted by the Oregonian. It also links to a documentary titled "The Dubious Friends of Donald Trump", which is interesting if you take it at face value.
Believe it. Trump has a very long history with shady characters and organized crime. Trump built Trump Tower with concrete from the Salerno/Castellano crime family. Trump has a long history of dealing with mob-connected men, and this extends to the Russians. There wasn't anything in that Dutch documentary that cannot be confirmed through public information. That's the scary part. Most of the information is public, and he's trying to tell us it's inaccurate. That's why he has to rely on obstruction of justice to try and save his butt.
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Believe it. Trump has a very long history with shady characters and organized crime. Trump built Trump Tower with concrete from the Salerno/Castellano crime family. Trump has a long history of dealing with mob-connected men, and this extends to the Russians. There wasn't anything in that Dutch documentary that cannot be confirmed through public information. That's the scary part. Most of the information is public, and he's trying to tell us it's inaccurate. That's why he has to rely on obstruction of justice to try and save his butt.
Yeah, there was a lot of information in the documentary, which is why I just want to be cautious; it's interesting though. I suggest people watch this and make their own decisions.
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I went to her rally in Tempe, AZ one week before the election thinking.. hmmmm, this makes no sense.

She was overconfident in the swing states and didn't go there at all/nearly enough and that's what cost her the election. She went to Arizona and Nevada to pad her electoral thinking she had it in the bag.

Simple as that
I don't get it, do you think if she went to swing states more it would have swung it to a win? I don't, and I've been saying that.
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I don't get it, do you think if she went to swing states more it would have swung it to a win? I don't, and I've been saying that.
The major thing she did wrong was not say anything to win. Trump's team knew what the people wanted to hear and said it, no matter how false or ludicrous. He was a typical snake oil politician. Clinton talked about issues on a much higher level, and quite honestly, she went over the heads of a lot of the people who voted for Trump. Hillary Clinton could have presented PHD thesis on the coal industry and Trump would have won just by yelling something like "San Dimas High Football rules!".
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Trump voters displaying a huge amount of cognitive dissonance here. When Trump himself admits he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation, Trump supporters refuse to believe it even coming out of Trump's own mouth with over two thirds still believing it was because of Clinton. Confirmation bias to the extreme when the people will only selectively believe what fits with their specific world view and ignore facts presented otherwise.

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President Donald Trump has said the real reason he fired James Comey from the FBI was because of the bureau’s investigation into links between Trump’s 2016 campaign associates and Russia. But that doesn’t seem to have gotten through to the majority of Republican voters.

Nearly two-thirds (63 percent) of Republicans still believe the White House’s first rationale for Comey’s firing — that the FBI director was dismissed for poorly handling the investigation into Hillary Clinton emails — according to a recent public poll from NBC and the Wall Street Journal. Overall, 38 percent of Americans still believe Clinton’s emails were behind the firing, according to the poll conducted from May 11 to 13.

Trump’s decision to fire Comey still isn’t playing well with the American public overall — only 29 percent of Americans approve of the decision, while 38 percent disapprove. And the reactions continue to be partisan; 58 percent of Republicans approved of Trump’s decision, while 66 percent of Democrats disapproved. This is a continuation of early public polling on Comey’s firing from multiple outlets that showed Republicans were largely brushing off the Comey story.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ublican-voters

Meanwhile the WH and Trump will no longer answer any questions about the tapes he made of his conversation with Comey over dinner. Either the recordings exist and they are in big legal trouble and lawyers have told them as much, or he got caught with a gigantic lie that implicated him of illegal activities.
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