[Trade] Stars trade for Bishop and sign him to 6 year deal ($4.916 mil AAV)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Precisely.
Each goalie is different and I don't think that Bishop is on the downside of his career yet, but he likely will be during the contract.
I would prefer the Flames land a big fish who is just entering the prime of their careers - not well into them.

Few goaltenders get better in their 30's. You are generally hoping they can maintain a level of play close to their mid to late 30's. Flames are a young team and it would be nice to have an emerging young goaltender with his best years ahead of him over guys like Elliott and Bishop where you are hoping year to year they can hold on to replicate past play.

[Gaskal]

AAV is great. Term is crap. NMC absolutely is crap.


Flames definitely dodged a bullet.

[Toonage]

Good, light read

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...-out-on-bishop

[Roof-Daddy]

Anyways.

Hopefully this blows up in the Stars faces and Bishop turns into Ilya Bryzgalov version 2.0 (what happened in Philly) and not Pekka Rinne version 2.0.

And whatever happens in Dallas, hopefully Tre can find us our answer in net for both now and in the long term.

[tvp2003]

Apparently Texas (like Florida) has no state income tax. That may have had some impact on the (relatively) low AAV that Dallas got (versus what he may have accepted somewhere else).

[bax]

Don't worry guys. Matt Murray will be a Flame before expansion

[Locke]

This market would eat Fleury alive.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Good, light read

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...-out-on-bishop

that list is utterly garbage and makes me even more sad that we missed out on Bishop....not better..

Seriously....Howard? Mason? Halak???? Elliott??????

you think Elliott was and is inconsistent....you haven't seen MAF......why do you think the pens didn't win a cup after 2009 until last year?

[FlamesAddiction]

Great deal for the Stars.

It helps when a player gets a chance to sign exactly where they want to be.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Great deal for the Stars.

It helps when a player gets a chance to sign exactly where they want to be.

Yeah, this biggest obstacle in all of this is that Calgary isnt Texas. Not much we can do about that.

Its the same advantage that the California teams have used for years.

[united]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Apparently Texas (like Florida) has no state income tax. That may have had some impact on the (relatively) low AAV that Dallas got (versus what he may have accepted somewhere else).

~$4,917,000 in Dallas works out to ~$5,732,000 in Calgary when focusing on after-tax earnings. His rumoured ask of Calgary makes sense when looking at it that way.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Good, light read

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...-out-on-bishop

Outside of MAF the other options he lists are pretty gross IMO.

[TheFlamesVan]

I don't think there is a huge difference between what Bishop and Elliot bring. I'm starting to feel okay with a Gillies/Elliot split on a reasonable contract. No one will be kicking his door down, but he's still an effective NHL goalie.

I would not like him being our main starter though. Only talking if he splits with a capable prospect. Lots of cap hit left then to get some help up front.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by robaur

that list is utterly garbage and makes me even more sad that we missed out on Bishop....not better..

Seriously....Howard? Mason? Halak???? Elliott??????

you think Elliott was and is inconsistent....you haven't seen MAF......why do you think the pens didn't win a cup after 2009 until last year?

This is kind of a funny way to complain about his talent, 2 Stanley cups in 8 seasons. MAF is better than Elliot. But is he worth that much more in terms of cap? I'm not so sure.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

I don't think there is a huge difference between what Bishop and Elliot bring. I'm starting to feel okay with a Gillies/Elliot split on a reasonable contract. No one will be kicking his door down, but he's still an effective NHL goalie.

I would not like him being our main starter though. Only talking if he splits with a capable prospect. Lots of cap hit left then to get some help up front.

The problem is that on some nights that statement is correct and on others it isnt.

Could you imagine what the Flames' season would have looked like if it didnt take 2 months for Elliot to get his game together?

And even when he was on his game he still routinely allowed one bad goal a game.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Locke

The problem is that on some nights that statement is correct and on others it isnt.

Could you imagine what the Flames' season would have looked like if it didnt take 2 months for Elliot to get his game together?

And even when he was on his game he still routinely allowed one bad goal a game.

That's why I'm saying he needs to split. Doesn't seem like the year to magically find a bonafide starter. Might as well not burn a bunch of cap space/assets. I'd like to see Gillies get a shot. I like his game.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by LTH

100% agree. Too much can go wrong there.

Give up assets (I hate this more and more)
Long term and large $ contract
history of Injuries.
We have our up and coming goalies

I have a feeling me may not be as elite (anymore?) as we thought.

All we need is a league average goalie that will get us through the next 2 years. A league average goalie that has steady play. Doesn't play out of his mind like Johnson and Elliot did this past season and then crash and burn like Elliot and Johnson did this past season.

The asset was a 4th round pick, that is not a real asset.

Ben Bishop's played over 60 games the previous 3 years before this one, he does not have a history of injuries.

Up and coming goalies is a good point, I think we have an open camp in-between the pipes, bring in Leland Irving, Joni Ortio, and Matt Keetley to battle it out and chat with the up and coming goalies about being an up and coming Calgary Flames goalie.

Getting an average goalie for a painfully average team would be par for the course though.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

The problem is that on some nights that statement is correct and on others it isnt.

Could you imagine what the Flames' season would have looked like if it didnt take 2 months for Elliot to get his game together?

And even when he was on his game he still routinely allowed one bad goal a game.

Well, this is the perfect description of an average NHL goaltender, which is exactly what Elliott is. There is good reason to think that while he is not a perfect option, even Elliott next season will be an improvement on Elliott from this year. The bad start was not just him—it was the entire team, and I think quite understandably he struggled with a new team, a higher level of attention, and the fact that this was a young group who took time adjusting to a new coach. Furthermore, Elliott has a pattern of alternating good and average seasons, and last year for him was a poor season which followed a great one.

I am hoping that the Flames go in different direction in goal next year, but people need to get a grip here: even IF Elliott happens to re-sign with the Flames, they will continue to be a playoff team, and should have a better season than 2016–17.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

That's why I'm saying he needs to split. Doesn't seem like the year to magically find a bonafide starter. Might as well not burn a bunch of cap space/assets. I'd like to see Gillies get a shot. I like his game.

This is grossly premature. Gillies needs to prove at the AHL level that he is capable of maintaining a consistently high level of play before he is elevated to a NHL starter. He has not been good enough, and needs at least one more year in Stockton, or possibly as the #2 in Calgary.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

That's why I'm saying he needs to split. Doesn't seem like the year to magically find a bonafide starter. Might as well not burn a bunch of cap space/assets. I'd like to see Gillies get a shot. I like his game.

I agree, I dont want to burn a bunch of cap or assets either, but the problem with Elliot is that you never know which Elliot you're going to get. He could be splitting duty and be lights out amazing or completely terrible and that all affects the play of the team in front of him.

If players dont have confidence in their goaltenders it changes the entire way they play.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, this is the perfect description of an average NHL goaltender, which is exactly what Elliott is. There is good reason to think that while he is not a perfect option, even Elliott next season will be an improvement on Elliott from this year. The bad start was not just him—it was the entire team, and I think quite understandably he struggled with a new team, a higher level of attention, and the fact that this was a young group who took time adjusting to a new coach. Furthermore, Elliott has a pattern of alternating good and average seasons, and last year for him was a poor season which followed a great one.

I am hoping that the Flames go in different direction in goal next year, but people need to get a grip here: even IF Elliott happens to re-sign with the Flames, they will continue to be a playoff team, and should have a better season than 2016–17.

No. No it isnt. Thats the problem.

Elliot was either significantly below average or significantly above it. I think we'd have killed for average.