[Trade] Stars trade for Bishop and sign him to 6 year deal ($4.916 mil AAV)

[LTH]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

We dodged a 6'7" bullet.

100% agree. Too much can go wrong there.

Give up assets (I hate this more and more)
Long term and large $ contract
history of Injuries.
We have our up and coming goalies

I have a feeling me may not be as elite (anymore?) as we thought.

All we need is a league average goalie that will get us through the next 2 years. A league average goalie that has steady play. Doesn't play out of his mind like Johnson and Elliot did this past season and then crash and burn like Elliot and Johnson did this past season.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

We dodged a 6'7" bullet.

I have to agree. The AAV looks nice, but 6 years isnt and I am still not sold on Bishop.

Totally fine with this. Have fun playing hockey in Texas.

[JiriHrdina]

Folks simply can't look at that contract and say the Flames lost out, making a massive assumption that he would have signed for the same amount.
In many ways I'd rather the Flames go big game hunting on the trade market - and land a guy with both strong pedigree and track record and more years ahead of him.
I think we will be surprised who Tre acquires and it won't be one of the major names speculated.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by LTH

100% agree. Too much can go wrong there.

Give up assets (I hate this more and more)
Long term and large $ contract
history of Injuries.
We have our up and coming goalies

I have a feeling me may not be as elite (anymore?) as we thought.

All we need is a league average goalie that will get us through the next 2 years. A league average goalie that has steady play. Doesn't play out of his mind like Johnson and Elliot did this past season and then crash and burn like Elliot and Johnson did this past season.

i think this is going to be the case with any goalie that we sign now, including Elliott...

As for our up and coming goalies - that's the hope... that's not a 100% guaranteed that any of them will turn out... I don't think its fair to say you don't think Bishop is elite anymore and simultaneously pin our goaltending future on one of three guys, who have 1 NHL game of experience between them...

its water under the bridge now, but the goaltending market that remains is even more dubious than what Bishop provides imo....

[StrykerSteve]

That's a solid deal for the Stars. They should be a lot better next season, but damn @ the money they tied up in goalie's now. Will be interesting to see what they do.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

They will buy out Niemi

That's still ~12M in goalie costs with not a single dime of it going to a guy coming off a good season. Crazy.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i think this is going to be the case with any goalie that we sign now, including Elliott...

As for our up and coming goalies - that's the hope... that's not a 100% guaranteed that any of them will turn out... I don't think its fair to say you don't think Bishop is elite anymore and simultaneously pin our goaltending future on one of three guys, who have 1 NHL game of experience between them...

its water under the bridge now, but the goaltending market that remains is even more dubious than what Bishop provides imo....

Pads are getting smaller and Bishop is getting older.

Bishop was traded At the end of 2013 for Cory Conacher.

From the 2013-14 season until the 2016-17 season he played in Tampa Bay (4 seasons).

He wasn't considered "elite" in Ottawa or before, he only spent 3 seasons in Tampa (one of which was bad). So, 3 'decent' seasons in a career, makes a goalie "elite" now?

Ben Bishop was never elite.

[josef]

i´m really happy bishop signed with the stars, wouldn´t have liked to have him signed for 6 years

[Calgary4LIfe]

Quite honestly, there isn't a goalie on the planet not named Price that won't make me feel nervous about starting the season with. Even if the Flames acquired Bishop - the goalie I was pining for - I would still feel somewhat nervous about it. I don't know if it is in my head, or the fact that the Flames have had terrible goaltending now for the last few seasons. I think I must be having some post traumatic syndrome.

I really believed Elliott was a huge coup for the Flames last year.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

That's a solid deal for the Stars. They should be a lot better next season, but damn @ the money they tied up in goalie's now. Will be interesting to see what they do.

I think step 1 is: Bribe George McPhee to take one.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Folks simply can't look at that contract and say the Flames out, making a massive assumption that he would have signed for the same amount.
In many ways I'd rather the Flames go big game hunting on the trade market - and land a guy with both strong pedigree and track record and more years ahead of him.
I think we will be surprised who Tre acquires and it won't be one of the major names speculated.

You literally just described Bishop. Do you not recognize that?

[bubbsy]

solid move by the stars. I don't think they are all that concerned about the back half of that contract, as for the next few years, this basically buys them a shot at the western conference.

as a flames fan, i'm not sure what to feel at this point. I do not want elliott back based on his season start and playoff performance. The flames need a dependable goaltending option. at this point, i guess the only option i see that has pedigree we are looking for is fleury.

I'm glad this decision lays on the shoulders of treliving. He doesn't seem gun shy given his trade history, and given the fan base has had such a frustrating time with the goaltending during his tenure, i'm certain he's viewing this as the single highest priority going into the offseason (again.... sigh).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You literally just described Bishop. Do you not recognize that?

I think the "more years ahead of him" is probably referenced to years in his prime. I realize goaltenders can play well into their 30's but Dallas isn't getting Bishop in his prime years. Tampa got those years.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Pads are getting smaller and Bishop is getting older.

Bishop was traded At the end of 2013 for Cory Conacher.

From the 2013-14 season until the 2016-17 season he played in Tampa Bay (4 seasons).

He wasn't considered "elite" in Ottawa or before, he only spent 3 seasons in Tampa (one of which was bad). So, 3 'decent' seasons in a career, makes a goalie "elite" now?

Ben Bishop was never elite.

fair points...

players can become elite after teams trade them however... Kipper or Dubnyk for example.

that said, we'll see how the changes in pads affects bishop in Dallas; no point in speculating, despite it being the offseason, as we'll be able to see the results next season...

it still leaves calgary in a bit of a pinch though... the obvious targets seem to be evaporating, if the MAF rumors to LV are true....

I mean would anyone really be happy re-signing Elliott, especially if we have to give up a 3rd(?) to STL as a consequence of re-signing him?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod
Bishop's contract includes a full NMC, which also has a limited no-trade list in the final three-years of the deal.

I'm confused. Doesn't a NMC imply a NTC? Does the NMC just downgrade in the last 3 years to a limited NTC?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think the "more years ahead of him" is probably referenced to years in his prime. I realize goaltenders can play well into their 30's but Dallas isn't getting Bishop in his prime years. Tampa got those years.

Precisely.
Each goalie is different and I don't think that Bishop is on the downside of his career yet, but he likely will be during the contract.
I would prefer the Flames land a big fish who is just entering the prime of their careers - not well into them.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't get it. He provides stability in net right NOW and probably for at LEAST 4 years of that deal. Way better than what we've got going on right now.

Stars 2017/18 - High probability of stability
Stars 2018/19 - High probability of stability
Stars 2019/20 - High probability of stability
Stars 2020/21 - High probability of stability
Stars 2021/22 - Starting to question as he's now 35 (So are Rinne, Andersen and Lundqvist)
Stars 2022/23 - Maybe it's now finally falling apart he's 36 (So was Luongo when he was up for Vezina last year)

Flames 2017/18 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2018/19 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2019/20 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2020/21 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2021/22 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2022/23 - ??????????????????????

Yeah, I'd rather roll the dice with what the Stars just got thanks.

Hopefully that changes over the next few months, but I doubt whatever we end up getting will be able to provide the stability Bishop will likely provide for Dallas in the coming years.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't get it. He provides stability in net right NOW and probably for at LEAST 4 years of that deal. Way better than what we've got going on right now.

Stars 2017/18 - High probability of stability
Stars 2018/19 - High probability of stability
Stars 2019/20 - High probability of stability
Stars 2020/21 - High probability of stability
Stars 2021/22 - Starting to question as he's now 35 (So are Rinne, Andersen and Lundqvist)
Stars 2022/23 - Maybe it's now finally falling apart he's 36 (So was Luongo when he was up for Vezina last year)

Flames 2017/18 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2018/19 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2019/20 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2020/21 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2021/22 - ??????????????????????
Flames 2022/23 - ??????????????????????

Yeah, I'd rather roll the dice with what the Stars just got thanks.

Hopefully that changes over the next few months, but I doubt whatever we end up getting will be able to provide the stability Bishop will likely provide for Dallas in the coming years.

Yes, anyone in their right mind would prefer something over ??????????????????????

But I am confident in what Treliving will bring in as our last line of defence in the offseason. But everyone is all up in arms "Why didnt we get Bishop if the Stars got him for a 4th rounder" Like i said in my last post...Maybe he didn't want to come to Calgary?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I'd rather roll the dice with what the Stars just got thanks.

Again you are assuming the Flames could have go what the Stars just got.
Which is probably not the case.

[killer_carlson]

That NMC is not something i'd have been offering.