2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Back to goaltending.

Maybe the Flames do kick the tires on Jimmy Howard. Looking up his career stats vs. Pacific Division teams and its not bad. Then the Flames can re-sign Johnson.

The tandem would be Howard- Johnson.

We'd be the hotel of goal tending

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

I agree with both you and Vinnie, but I'm wondering if the market value of goaltenders will be the same this off-season as two years ago because of expansion.

I could be misreading the situation, but if I have two solid goalies from which to choose to protect, and since I can only protect one of them, shouldn't the value of the goalies not be as high as it is in other years?

It could make their value drop for sure. But it depends who else the team exposing the player has exposed.

I haven't looked at the Caps exposure situation, but in a case like Raanta in New York, if he gets traded it all but guarantees they lose Fast or Lindberg for nothing. Sure they might get a 2nd for Raanta, but is having a 2nd and losing one of Lindberg/Fast better than having 2 of Raanta/Lindberg/Fast?

But on the other hand, for Colorado, I think it absolutely tanks Pickards trade value since the best players they are exposing other than Pickard are Colborne and Soderberg. So for the Avs, something is better than nothing makes a great deal of sense.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It could make their value drop for sure. But it depends who else the team exposing the player has exposed.

I haven't looked at the Caps exposure situation, but in a case like Raanta in New York, if he gets traded it all but guarantees they lose Fast or Lindberg for nothing. Sure they might get a 2nd for Raanta, but is having a 2nd and losing one of Lindberg/Fast better than having 2 of Raanta/Lindberg/Fast?

But on the other hand, for Colorado, I think it absolutely tanks Pickards trade value since the best players they are exposing other than Pickard are Colborne and Soderberg. So for the Avs, something is better than nothing makes a great deal of sense.

Same thing for Grubauer in Washington.

If they trade him then Orlov is gone, but with Grubauer still there chances are the Caps lose him, get to keep Orlov and still have their starter Holtby so no big loss really.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Same thing for Grubauer in Washington.

If they trade him then Orlov is gone, but with Grubauer still there chances are the Caps lose him, get to keep Orlov and still have their starter Holtby so no big loss really.

I had a feeling the Caps were deep enough that they would lose someone of consequence. So I stand by my suggestion that it could take a 1st to land him

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames will probably have to re-sign Elliott or get a goalie from Vegas after the expansion draft. Or maybe even someone else after the expansion draft, if for instance Washington loses Orlov even with Grubauer exposed and then deal Grubauer to Calgary afterwards.

Either that or a goalie no one expects becoming available for some reason.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It could make their value drop for sure. But it depends who else the team exposing the player has exposed.

I haven't looked at the Caps exposure situation, but in a case like Raanta in New York, if he gets traded it all but guarantees they lose Fast or Lindberg for nothing. Sure they might get a 2nd for Raanta, but is having a 2nd and losing one of Lindberg/Fast better than having 2 of Raanta/Lindberg/Fast?

But on the other hand, for Colorado, I think it absolutely tanks Pickards trade value since the best players they are exposing other than Pickard are Colborne and Soderberg. So for the Avs, something is better than nothing makes a great deal of sense.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Same thing for Grubauer in Washington.

If they trade him then Orlov is gone, but with Grubauer still there chances are the Caps lose him, get to keep Orlov and still have their starter Holtby so no big loss really.

I think you guys are over estimating the value of goalies to Vegas. If they are indeed looking at MAF as their guy, then I could see them looking at more forward and D depth than their backup goalie. There are more spots to fill on forward and D then there are goalie, quality depth will be more important that an young back up goalie.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I think you guys are over estimating the value of goalies to Vegas. If they are indeed looking at MAF as their guy, then I could see them looking at more forward and D depth than their backup goalie. There are more spots to fill on forward and D then there are goalie, quality depth will be more important that an young back up goalie.

I think you are underestimating the value of young goalies. Goalies 27 & under with starter potential are valuable trade assets

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think you are underestimating the value of young goalies. Goalies 27 & under with starter potential are valuable trade assets

I'm not saying they aren't valuable. There are only 2 goalie positions that Vegas needs to fill and there are 12 forward and 6 D. If they go with MAF and players like Orlov, Fast and Lindberg are available I think they would be more likely to be picked than Grubauer and Raanta.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm not saying they aren't valuable. There are only 2 goalie positions that Vegas needs to fill and there are 12 forward and 6 D. If they go with MAF and players like Orlov, Fast and Lindberg are available I think they would be more likely to be picked than Grubauer and Raanta.

Yeah but what if they know they can flip Grubauer + a 2nd or something to us for 16th overall, and then flip Raanta and 16th overall to say Winnipeg for Tyler Myers or something like that?

Not sure if any of that would happen, but my point being is that goalies are assets, and they likely won't just draft a starter and back up and be done with it. They will probably draft some goalies with value in order to trade them.

It's going to be interesting to watch it all unfold that's for sure. Should be plenty of trades and all that.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm not saying they aren't valuable. There are only 2 goalie positions that Vegas needs to fill and there are 12 forward and 6 D. If they go with MAF and players like Orlov, Fast and Lindberg are available I think they would be more likely to be picked than Grubauer and Raanta.

They have to draft 3 goalies. But Vegas has publicly stated they are going to draft players with the purpose of trading them. Don't be shocked if they draft 6 goalies and deal 3 of them.

[Hockeyguy15]

In the case of Washington I wouldn't be shocked for them to trade on their own, they don't have a pick until the 4th round.

Nothing is stopping them from trading Grubauer for picks, and then offering Vegas something to not take Orlov.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

In the case of Washington I wouldn't be shocked for them to trade on their own, they don't have a pick until the 4th round.

Nothing is stopping them from trading Grubauer for picks, and then offering Vegas something to not take Orlov.

Nothing is stopping them except needing another goalie that meets exposure requirements.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames will probably have to re-sign Elliott or get a goalie from Vegas after the expansion draft. Or maybe even someone else after the expansion draft, if for instance Washington loses Orlov even with Grubauer exposed and then deal Grubauer to Calgary afterwards.

Either that or a goalie no one expects becoming available for some reason.

I would sign Steve Mason as a UFA before considering Elliott

[Mass_nerder]

I think I'm in the hilariously small minority that thinks Mason might be a pretty good signing for someone. I'm not sure the Flames can afford to gamble on a guy who can be that inconsistent though.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

In the case of Washington I wouldn't be shocked for them to trade on their own, they don't have a pick until the 4th round.

Nothing is stopping them from trading Grubauer for picks, and then offering Vegas something to not take Orlov.

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Nothing is stopping them except needing another goalie that meets exposure requirements.

True, but getting a goalie to expose probably wouldn't be difficult. There are a bunch of teams with minor league goalies who can afford to give one up for future considerations or a late pick and that team still has the goalies to meet the requirements themselves.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would sign Steve Mason as a UFA before considering Elliott

In a bubble I take Elliott over Mason every day, but after Elliott's playoff performance and start to the season it's a lot closer, that's for sure.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Nothing is stopping them except needing another goalie that meets exposure requirements.

Wouldn't be that hard to sign a goalie, just like what the Flames did.

[Toonage]

If the Flames don't owe the Blues a 3rd if they sign Elliott past July 1st, maybe theres already a plan in place to do just that.

[Vinny01]

Assuming Elliott costs a 3rd I take Mason over him (I figure they get about the same money). I just can't get behind Elliott returning he is done as a flame in my eyes. I will be very disappointed if he is here next year

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would sign Steve Mason as a UFA before considering Elliott

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I think I'm in the hilariously small minority that thinks Mason might be a pretty good signing for someone. I'm not sure the Flames can afford to gamble on a guy who can be that inconsistent though.

Mason's last 5 seasons:

232 Starts (46.4 per season)
0.917 save %
2.49 GAA
107 wins
84 losses
0.539 quality start% (league avg is 0.530)

His numbers aren't bad overall, and it's not like he was playig for a juggernaut in Philly, so if Tre and his scouts think he can light it up behind this Flames team in GG's system, mine as well give it a whirl I guess.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Wouldn't be that hard to sign a goalie, just like what the Flames did.

I'm not sure it works that way anymore, anyone they sign now would be a signing for 2017-18 and I'm not sure they would be eligible for expansion. Pretty sure they will have to trade for one if they move Grubauer