[Trade] Stars trade for Bishop and sign him to 6 year deal ($4.916 mil AAV)

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

I think the Flames are going to bring back both Elliott and Johnson. They can get Elliott on the cheap for decent term which could be a stop gap measure to bridge them to Parsons/Gillies/Rittich. With signing Elliott for cheaper then the likes of Mike Smith or MAF, it will allow them to get a more suitable top 4 D, a scoring RW for the first line and potentially resigning Backlund long term.

Johnson sounds like he wants to be back. Local kid who loves playing here. Flames also have faith in him too.

No way management brings both back. I can see one of them being back but you can bet Treliving is going to go hard trying to find a goalie. The two names MAF and Mike Smith are the ones I think he will target.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

I think the Flames are going to bring back both Elliott and Johnson. They can get Elliott on the cheap for decent term which could be a stop gap measure to bridge them to Parsons/Gillies/Rittich. With signing Elliott for cheaper then the likes of Mike Smith or MAF, it will allow them to get a more suitable top 4 D, a scoring RW for the first line and potentially resigning Backlund long term.

Johnson sounds like he wants to be back. Local kid who loves playing here. Flames also have faith in him too.

In my view bringing back Elliott is not a great idea.

Flames need to investigate and find another starter.

Johnson on the other hand is a good option for the backup if he would sign a short term deal.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Weitz

John Shannon on the radio morning mentioned that since Calgary had 2 opportunities to sign him he essentially said thanks but no thanks to a third time.

IMO John Shannon is one of the least credible guys out there. Not saying I disbelieve what he said here, but no more than a grain of salt.

[Lil Pedro]

Originally Posted by flambers

In my view bringing back Elliott is not a great idea.

Flames need to investigate and find another starter.

Johnson on the other hand is a good option for the backup if he would sign a short term deal.

Completely agree, but if MAF goes to Vegas or Philadelphia (can't see that), what are there options? Is Mike Smith really an upgrade on Elliott? Do they want to take a risk on unproven guys like Raanta or Grubauer? Take a risk on an aging goaltender in Miller, or a shaky starter in Mason. The Darling and Bishop scenarios have really backed them into a corner.

[JurassicTunga12]

I can see the Flames re-signing Elliott just to have someone who is somewhat proven, but also bringing in Grubauer and roll with them.
Cory Schneider is probably the biggest piece that might be a possibility for the Flames if NJ is rebuilding.

edit: forgot we would have to give up a pick to re-sign Elliott. So that probably would lessen interest.

[TheAlpineOracle]

While i'm not sure if Bishop was the answer, I am 100% sure if f the Flames resign Elliott, i'm done as a season ticket holder. I just wish I could know that before i'm asked to renew this year. Starting the season with Gillies and Rittich would actually please me more than bringing back Elliott. He's a mentally fragile backup that you know is going to go through periods of terrible goaltending because he's the definition of a streaky player. i'd rather go through the learning pain of a pure rookie goaltender than bring back the loser we already know the book on.

[MacDaddy77]

I'm fine with Elliot as the starter on a 3 year 9MM deal. Bring up Gillies and we have $4MM total spent on goalies. Playoff performance aside Elliot is probably our best option left.

Perhaps showing confidence in him will be rewarded. It's not like he played terrible for the entire playoffs. If the Flames didn't squander his great game 1 who knows how the series might have turned out.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

I'm fine with Elliot as the starter on a 3 year 9MM deal. Bring up Gillies and we have $4MM total spent on goalies. Playoff performance aside Elliot is probably our best option left.

Perhaps showing confidence in him will be rewarded. It's not like he played terrible for the entire playoffs. If the Flames didn't squander his great game 1 who knows how the series might have turned out.

You must be fine with totally failing then.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by flambers

In my view bringing back Elliott is not a great idea.

Flames need to investigate and find another starter.

Johnson on the other hand is a good option for the backup if he would sign a short term deal.

There's no way they can bring Elliott back. The fans have no faith in him, the media has no faith in him, and I think it's a pretty safe bet that none of the players on the team have any faith in him.

[Vinny01]

Elliott is a tire fire this team needs to move on from. I thought he would possibly end up in Dallas to play for the coach where he had success in the past but that ship appears to have sailed.

Elliott failed spectacularly here as he started and finished the season terribly. There was some great play in the middle but his first and last impression are too much to overcome. He is probably going to command 2-4 years around $4-4.5M.

I just don't see him signing a short term cheap deal especially here where the leash is going to be short amongst the fanbase

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Completely agree, but if MAF goes to Vegas or Philadelphia (can't see that), what are there options? Is Mike Smith really an upgrade on Elliott? Do they want to take a risk on unproven guys like Raanta or Grubauer? Take a risk on an aging goaltender in Miller, or a shaky starter in Mason. The Darling and Bishop scenarios have really backed them into a corner.

I think if you can't get a proven guy like MAF, you take the risk with Gurbauer, Raanta, Korpisalo

[bax]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

While i'm not sure if Bishop was the answer, I am 100% sure if f the Flames resign Elliott, i'm done as a season ticket holder. I just wish I could know that before i'm asked to renew this year. Starting the season with Gillies and Rittich would actually please me more than bringing back Elliott. He's a mentally fragile backup that you know is going to go through periods of terrible goaltending because he's the definition of a streaky player. i'd rather go through the learning pain of a pure rookie goaltender than bring back the loser we already know the book on.

Rolling with Rittich and Gillies doesn't mean going through learning pains, it means ruining their development- and probably while getting worse goaltending than we would with Elliot to boot.

I'm not in the bring back Elliot camp, but two rookies is not a good suggestion

[Itse]

Originally Posted by bax

Rolling with Rittich and Gillies doesn't mean going through learning pains, it means ruining their development- and probably while getting worse goaltending than we would with Elliot to boot.

Maybe or maybe not.

Not that I'm suggesting going with these guys, but claiming it's somehow guaranteed it would destroy their development is nonsense.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I think if you can't get a proven guy like MAF, you take the risk with Gurbauer, Raanta, Korpisalo

sorry - misread...

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by bax

Rolling with Rittich and Gillies doesn't mean going through learning pains, it means ruining their development- and probably while getting worse goaltending than we would with Elliot to boot.

I'm not in the bring back Elliot camp, but two rookies is not a good suggestion

I'm not suggesting that either, i'm saying it's a terrible idea to go with rookies but I'd rather do that than have to waste another year with a plug like Elliott.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Elliot played what 16 games of good hockey through the season ? If he's back as the Flames starter I will be very dissapointed. I hate watching his emotions take control of him. He's probably the biggest cry baby/drama queen goalie I've seen in a while. He gets caught up in trying to sell calls to the refs rather than playing the game. The guy individually blew the playoffs, and people want to give him a 3 year deal ? Holy.

[Red_Baron]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Elliot played what 16 games of good hockey through the season ? If he's back as the Flames starter I will be very dissapointed. I hate watching his emotions take control of him. He's probably the biggest cry baby/drama queen goalie I've seen in a while. He gets caught up in trying to sell calls to the refs rather than playing the game. The guy individually blew the playoffs, and people want to give him a 3 year deal ? Holy.

...and give up a 3rd round pick to sign him to boot.
That would be straight up poor asset management. He's not going to be re-signed.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Why has this been a knock on Ben Bishop over the last year or two, as if it's only his equipment that will be getting smaller?

Why will equipment changes have a more adverse affect on Ben Bishop than they will on a guy like MA Fleury?

A goalie who relies on his speed and athleticism is less-likely to be adversely affected than one who relies on his size and positioning.

Bishop is a big blocking goalie. Reducing his size should reduce his effectiveness.


Personally, I don't think an equipment reduction will be too bad for Bishop just because he's a naturally large man, so his equipment doesn't really make him significantly bigger. Players like Matt Murray or Ryan Miller are more-likely to be affected because they're very skinny men who look completely different out of their gear.

[Toonage]

Boomer on the Fan this morning mentioned that he thought the pick was only tied to Elliott's rights. Meaning if the Flames trade him prior to July 1st they forfeit the 3rd. Can anyone confirm if that's the case?

[Huntingwhale]

Yeah I'm kind of surprised too that some people are willing to take Elliott back as a stop gap, as if him taking a paycut somehow makes it worth it.

I wouldn't take him back if he played for league minimum on a 1 year contract. As a fan, I'm in it to watch the team win games. Not to look at my capologist spreadsheet and being satisfied seeing extra room in the cap space cell. Last time I checked, cap space doesn't win games. Player performance does. It was a worthwhile gamble getting Elliott given his low acquisition cost and low cap hit. And he did play a good role in getting the team to the playoffs. But I will be extremely disappointed if he's back in training camp.