[Trade] Stars trade for Bishop and sign him to 6 year deal ($4.916 mil AAV)

[daveinspruce]

Thank the hockey gods.
Now give me Murray or MAF!

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

And what would that accomplish?

Nothing because no GM in their right mind would touch them. Dallas will need to buy out one of them.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Split98

You think they're exposing Rinne, or just that there'd be a deal in the mix?

And agreed, Lack and Khudobin don't have me salivating but having them in the mix at least helps with negotiations.

I could be wrong, but I'm about 85% sure Saros is exempt from the expansion draft. Doesn't need protecting.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Split98

You think they're exposing Rinne, or just that there'd be a deal in the mix?

And agreed, Lack and Khudobin don't have me salivating but having them in the mix at least helps with negotiations.

Saros does not need to be protected in the ED.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by daveinspruce

Thank the hockey gods.
Now give me Murray or MAF!

My choices now would be:

1. Murray
2. Grubaeur
3. Raanta

I'm not big of MAF going forward, and I'm not on-board with another season of hoping a stop-gap can get the job done. At this stage, it's all about trying to find "the next Talbot".

[Ashasx]

Bishop was really mediocre this season, so I am interested to see if he actually gets a $36 million contract.

[iloveicedhockey]

So it's either buyout or giving up assets to Vegas to take one of the crappy two they have.

[Erick Estrada]

I have a feeling once Stars announce the Bishop contract that most Flames fans will be pretty happy things turned out this way.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i realize that MAF would have to waive his NTC... but 2 years at 5.75 fits well with Calgary if the plan is to buy a couple of years for Gillies/Parsons to be ready for full time duties...

the big risk is MAF's own playoff meltdowns...

an argument can be made to sign Elliott to a 2 year contract for 3.5 AVV and use that money to find additional help on the blueline... in the meantime, Gillies (or Rittich) can be the backup (sorry Chad), opening a slot for Parsons in the the AHL...

in two years, you'd hope we'll have two goalies ready to be regulars in the NHL...

[BruceCody]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Agreed. But I have to say, if he ####s this up and ends up with another year of bad/mediocre goaltending, I'm going to be super pissed off.

Niemi/Lehtonen trade from Dallas as option

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

My choices now would be:

1. Murray
2. Grubaeur
3. Raanta

I'm not big of MAF going forward, and I'm not on-board with another season of hoping a stop-gap can get the job done. At this stage, it's all about trying to find "the next Talbot".

I disagree it is too risky to go find a backup to be our next starter. Treliving needs to stabilize the position and grabbing a backup to be our starter is so risky. If it fails Treliving is going to be on the hot seat quick. I don't see how adding Grubauer or Raanta improves the goaltending from last year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i realize that MAF would have to waive his NTC... but 2 years at 5.75 fits well with Calgary if the plan is to buy a couple of years for Gillies/Parsons to be ready for full time duties...

the big risk is MAF's own playoff meltdowns...

an argument can be made to sign Elliott to a 2 year contract for 3.5 AVV and use that money to find additional help on the blueline... in the meantime, Gillies (or Rittich) can be the backup (sorry Chad), opening a slot for Parsons in the the AHL...

in two years, you'd hope we'll have two goalies ready to be regulars in the NHL...

Elliott and an unproven backup could easily put the Flames in the lottery next year.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I disagree it is too risky to go find a backup to be our next starter. Treliving needs to stabilize the position and grabbing a backup to be our starter is so risky. If it fails Treliving is going to be on the hot seat quick. I don't see how adding Grubauer or Raanta improves the goaltending from last year.

How does adding MAF or Murray?

MAF had a worse season than Elliott and Murray is both unproven and possibly injury prone?

Let's be realistic with our expectations: there is no goaltender available at this point that is any more a sure thing than Elliott was last year, and we've seen how that could end up.

Grubauer and Raanta are solid additions with question marks. That's as good as it gets at this point.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How does adding MAF or Murray?

MAF had a worse season than Elliott and Murray is both unproven and possibly injury prone?

Let's be realistic with our expectations: there is no goaltender available at this point that is any more a sure thing than Elliott was last year, and we've seen how that could end up.

Grubauer and Raanta are solid additions with question marks. That's as good as it gets at this point.

MAF is playing well right now though so that makes him more palatable to many. As fans we often have the memory of a goldfish.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Entirely untrue imo.

why would Ken King have to give approval on a trade anyhow? Do you believe Tre or Burke in particular, would work in such a scenario?

I agree with you. It doesn't make any sense. If King's approval was needed, why is he "in the air" on trade deadline day?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

I agree with you. It doesn't make any sense. If King's approval was needed, why is he "in the air" on trade deadline day?

The Bishop trade was done a few days before the deadline.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

MAF is playing well right now though so that makes him more palatable to many. As fans we often have the memory of a goldfish.

MAF last two seasons as a starter were fine, the regular season stats were actually great.

This season mostly says how unmotivating his situation has been. He was going to get moved no matter how he played, simply because Murray is younger.

The playoffs performance says this is a guy who can play if you give him a reason. He'd probably love to start opposite to Murray.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Itse

MAF last two seasons as a starter were fine, the regular season stats were actually great.

This season mostly says how unmotivating his situation has been. He was going to get moved no matter how he played, simply because Murray is younger.

The playoffs performance says this is a guy who can play if you give him a reason. He'd probably love to start opposite to Murray.

No, this is the exact same MAF that has existed since he entered the league.

Incredible some games.
Terrible others.

Some seasons you get more of one than the other, but nothing about MAF screams "plucky vet in a bad situation." This is just MAF. It always has been. It always will be.

I'm not opposed to getting him, but I would have a hard time buying the "he's an improvement over Elliott!" line, since they're basically the same.

[ripTDR]

might be a stupid thing to say...so I'm going to duck after saying this

why don't the flames target Ryan miller?

i know he was on a horrible Canucks team, but there was many times he bailed them out

ready to be called a complete idiot but he might be a good short term stop gap that provides reasonable goal tending in front of a reasonable defensive team

one year for relatively cheap contract?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How does adding MAF or Murray?

MAF had a worse season than Elliott and Murray is both unproven and possibly injury prone?

Let's be realistic with our expectations: there is no goaltender available at this point that is any more a sure thing than Elliott was last year, and we've seen how that could end up.

Grubauer and Raanta are solid additions with question marks. That's as good as it gets at this point.

MAF has been a number 1 goalie in the league for a decade. Elliott was never a true number 1. Yes Elliott had a better season marginally but he faltered in the playoffs when it mattered the most and Fleury has excelled.

I am not convinced bringing in a backup from a good team is the answer but you could be right in the fact there are not many other options. Considering there are no sure things taking on the 2 years left on the Fleury deal feels like the safe move. Get a legit number 1 goalie and not have a long term commitment tied up