[OOT] May 3rd Playoffs! Two Games.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're suggesting that skate on skate wasn't incidental?

That's a stretch.

It wasn't the skate on skate that stopped Talbot from making the save.

It was Perry's ass dragging Talbot's blocker out of the way.

Kerry Fraser and Kelly Hrudrey both saw it as goalie interference, and Hrudey is a huge Flames homer.

I think the refs on the ice probably shouldn't be reviewing their own calls. They have a vested interest in not overturning their decisions.

[MoneyGuy]

Yeah, having refs review their own calls is stupid.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It wasn't the skate on skate that stopped Talbot from making the save.

It was Perry's ass dragging Talbot's blocker out of the way.

Kerry Fraser and Kelly Hrudrey both saw it as goalie interference, and Hrudey is a huge Flames homer.

I think the refs on the ice probably shouldn't be reviewing their own calls. They have a vested interest in not overturning their decisions.

Completely agree.

[timbit]

The officials making the final video call on challenges was negotiated and is part of their CBA.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

As one of the contracts that the Oilers are going to have to dump, I'm sure they're not really happy with his level of play. He looks more like a 2 million dollar player then a 6 million dollar player and nobody is going to take that contract for that player at full value.

They will have plenty of options as I'm sure LV would take him off their hands for a draft pick or two. There will be teams in the league willing to swap one of their bad contracts as while I don't think he's built for the playoffs he has averaged around 60 points per season as a pro which isn't chopped liver.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It wasn't the skate on skate that stopped Talbot from making the save.

It was Perry's ass dragging Talbot's blocker out of the way.

Kerry Fraser and Kelly Hrudrey both saw it as goalie interference, and Hrudey is a huge Flames homer.

I think the refs on the ice probably shouldn't be reviewing their own calls. They have a vested interest in not overturning their decisions.

Can you show evidence of this? Cause that didn't happen. The only contact was the skate.

The reason Talbot didn't make the save is because he never saw the shot - it was a perfectly timed screen by Perry.

As for Hrudey, he is every bit as much of an Oiler homer as a Flames homer. Not sure what that has to do with anything though.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It wasn't the skate on skate that stopped Talbot from making the save.

It was Perry's ass dragging Talbot's blocker out of the way.

Kerry Fraser and Kelly Hrudrey both saw it as goalie interference, and Hrudey is a huge Flames homer.

I think the refs on the ice probably shouldn't be reviewing their own calls. They have a vested interest in not overturning their decisions.

I wouldn't put much stock into anything sports net or any other Canadian media outlet states. They have proven to be as biased and homer centric as anybody, its actually quite embarrassing. I do however understand it, they are trying to appease to the mass and lets face it most Canadians jump on to this idea of "Go Canada" when it comes to the nhl playoffs.

These kinds of calls are so objective, it can differ from one official to another. So i'm not surprised Kerry Fraser thought it was interference, its what makes the NHL officiating a joke, you just don't know what is what anymore. A sentiment that GG stated during the series against the Ducks when they didn't allow a Flames goal.

My initial thoughts on the play was incidental contact and that contact was made with Perry never entering the crease, so it should be a goal. I can completely understand how you feel though, as it isn't a stretch to understand why one would think it is interference.

I don't know how many times I thought the Flames got screwed this year with reviews, in fact I can't think of any challenges that they won this year (maybe somebody can recall when they did). There were some that I thought were completely obvious that they lost and some that were 50/50.

I know Don Cherry isn't popular with some but he made a valid point IMO tonight on Coaches Corner. There should be 1 high level person who is responsible for all reviews, so there is consistency and teams get a better idea of what is allowed and what isn't.

Completely AGREE with you that officials and linesman should never be allowed to review their own ruling. The odds of somebody admitting they were wrong in front of 19,000 people with consistency when it is pretty clear that they are is highly unlikely.

Can't say i'm disappointed for you though, I wouldn't mind if that happened a few more times to the Oilers before the series is over.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It was Perry's ass dragging Talbot's blocker out of the way.

What replay did you see? None of the ones I saw show anything remotely close that, or at least anything that would be definitive.

I think Perry tapped his skate a little and it broke Talbot's concentration. It was a perfect screen other than the incidental contact. At the most, none of the replays definitively show anything else.

I think the refs on the ice probably shouldn't be reviewing their own calls. They have a vested interest in not overturning their decisions.

I agree with this, but in this case, it is a moot point.

[iloveicedhockey]

What I don't get is how they see overturning a decision based on the video review as something negative. It's a tool to make their job easier. We get that people make mistakes and can understand, especially given how fast the game is. What we can't abide is the refs having the capability of getting a call right but not doing that to save face.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It wasn't the skate on skate that stopped Talbot from making the save.

It was Perry's ass dragging Talbot's blocker out of the way.

Kerry Fraser and Kelly Hrudrey both saw it as goalie interference, and Hrudey is a huge Flames homer.

I think the refs on the ice probably shouldn't be reviewing their own calls. They have a vested interest in not overturning their decisions.

Hrudey may be a flames homer, but he is an even bigger goalie homer.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It wasn't the skate on skate that stopped Talbot from making the save.

It was Perry's ass dragging Talbot's blocker out of the way.

Kerry Fraser and Kelly Hrudrey both saw it as goalie interference, and Hrudey is a huge Flames homer.

I think the refs on the ice probably shouldn't be reviewing their own calls. They have a vested interest in not overturning their decisions.

Who are you kidding? Hrudey is the local colour commentator for the Flames, and with that comes a certain bias in his national calls. But Hrudey is most definitely historically an Oilers fan. He had said as much in public prior to joining the Flames broadcast crew, and he was the one who made the outrageous +300-goals prediction of the Oilers entering the 2006–07 season.

I don't consider his opinion in this matter much less prejudicial than Ron MacLean's.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What replay did you see? None of the ones I saw show anything remotely close that, or at least anything that would be definitive.

I think Perry tapped his skate a little and it broke Talbot's concentration. It was a perfect screen other than the incidental contact. At the most, none of the replays definitively show anything else.




I agree with this, but in this case, it is a moot point.

I saw this one.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/p...e-ducks-board/

Watch that from 44 seconds on and tell me that no contact was made with Talbot's blocker.

It doesn't really matter at this point, but I don't see how Talbot could have made that save given the level of interference.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I saw this one.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/p...e-ducks-board/

Watch that from 44 seconds on and tell me that no contact was made with Talbot's blocker.

It doesn't really matter at this point, but I don't see how Talbot could have made that save given the level of interference.

That's a little overdramatic.

[djsFlames]

Flames fans had grounds to be upset at the high stick goal that changed their game 3 and was probably the back breaker to letting the series get away as it sucked all their momentum.

See we've seen that kind of subtle contact 2 seconds at the edge/outside the crease get called a goal all year long. If Hrudey said interference then he's probably playing to the home crowd a bit, cause tbh it wasn't enough to be even borderline. It made a save more difficult, but didn't prevent/impede one.

Playoffs make us see things we want to see. And while there was ample whining and moaning in here, both teams are guilty of it. I just think that Flames fans actually had grounds to call out officiating in the papers and radio with the conflicting explanations and ambiguity of the calls and how they went down, whereas there's really been none of that in this series, not to mention the Oilers got another late game power play which essentially washed out the interference play anyway.

As for the OT goal, maybe putting in some hustle to get back and to the puck just as a precaution is something worth considering for the young greasers. You can't bank on anything in that situation. Ducks are a vet team and took advantage of the lapse in judgement. They're good at that.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by timbit

His 2 successive bailouts and giveaway directly resulting in the Ducks first goal were cringe worthy. He looked like the scaredest of scaredy cats.

Remarkably horrid sequence for any NHL forward, let alone alone a 6 mil per annum one in a crucial playoff game.

I was dropping f-bombs to my wife after that sequence. He was given two tasks from the coaching staff for that game - get involved physically and ensure the puck gets out of the zone. 0 for 2 on that shift and it resulted in a goal against.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I saw this one.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/p...e-ducks-board/

Watch that from 44 seconds on and tell me that no contact was made with Talbot's blocker.

It doesn't really matter at this point, but I don't see how Talbot could have made that save given the level of interference.

Two things:
1) Talbot's blocker was outside the crease, and
2) Perry did not 'hit' this blocker. Talbot pushed his blocker forward and into Perry. Or to put it another, more relevant way, it was purely incidental.

And incidental contact, outside the crease, results in a good goal.

There is absolutely no case here. Of all the disputed goals on this type of call this year that I have seen, this one has the least amount of contact. And Perry clearly tried to avoid him.

It was a great screen.

And a good goal.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Two things:
1) Talbot's blocker was outside the crease, and
2) Perry did not 'hit' this blocker. Talbot pushed his blocker forward and into Perry. Or to put it another, more relevant way, it was purely incidental.

And incidental contact, outside the crease, results in a good goal.

There is absolutely no case here. Of all the disputed goals on this type of call this year that I have seen, this one has the least amount of contact. And Perry clearly tried to avoid him.

It was a great screen.

And a good goal.

Well at least you are now acknowledging that contact with the blocker was made so props for that.

We will probably continue to disagree on everything else.

[Mass_nerder]

My Oilers friend who was laughing when Calgary fans were complaining about the Ducks and the reffing suddenly doesn't find it very funny.
What's weird is that suddenly I do.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Well at least you are now acknowledging that contact with the blocker was made so props for that.

We will probably continue to disagree on everything else.

Contact doesn't equal what you were suggesting though. Perry didn't hit his blocker. I would be interested in hearing your reply: either you agree that it was incidental, or you think Perry interfered. What say you?

[TheFlamesVan]

It doesn't take an electron microscope to see the contact between Perry and Talbot. It's plain as day...... but he wasn't within the boundaries of the crease. Easiest review all season.