[OOT] May 3rd Playoffs! Two Games.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Also, I don't know if today was a usual game from Draisaitl but the guys arguing that Bennett is better than him might actually have a point. Guy was awful tonight.

Ha - so you're going to base that on one game rather than 2 full seasons of track record? That's funny.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I don't care if he plays for the Ducks, we're above that.

Apparently not.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The offside, ok, but I'm not sure how anyone should be whining about the icing call. It wasn't icing.

When we were complaining about poor officiating it was a joke, whats this karma thing I've been hearing about?

The offside goal really is a non-issue as at speed it was so close that I wouldn't expect any human being to be able to get the right call more than 50% of the time. The fact that the Oilers didn't have a time out to challenge it isn't the officials fault. Officials made the right call according to the rules on the 1st goal and called a fair game from the opening puck drop as if they really were biased there's no way they call that late penalty on Vermette which ultimately led to the tying goal.

I realize on HF it's all "refs screwed us" but really the series has come down to goaltending and your best players being your best players. Talbot better in games 1 & 2 and Gibson better in games 2 & 3 and Getzlaf has outplayed any Oiler forward including McDavid. That's the difference not the officiating. If Talbot is lights out in game five it will be a 3-2 series Oilers lead and if he's mediocre again then it's probably going to be 3-2 Ducks.

[Ruttiger]

That's a tough loss to swallow. In my opinion the first goal was goaltender interference (full disclosure, I'm also a goalie so take that with a grain of salt.....) but the other two were iffy at best and I'm not surprised the calls weren't made.

But the Oilers did it to themselves - need to be mentally tougher and that's probably the biggest lesson they'll take from this series, regardless of the outcome. And as for Eberle - you've been waiting your entire career to get into the playoff and this is the effort you bring? You're a passenger - you're doing damage - I'm done.

[You Need a Thneed]

First Ducks goal was not more than a slight bump. The league has been consistent this year in saying that's legal this year. I saw the first replay and knew the goal would be allowed.

Second goal was technically offside the way they have been calling it this year. However in any previous year or later year that's not offside (I'm predicting rule clarifications in the offseason). The Oilers couldn't challenge because they had used their time out, but are the replays conclusive enough to actually overturn the call on the ice? I'm not sure that they are. Either way, any sane person knows that Perry was inside in the spirit of the rule.

In O, the back linesman has his hand up for icing the whole time until the puck was touched, did that distract the Oilers forwards? Either way, if the one linesman had waved it off, there's nothing to complain about. You have to play to the whistle in any case.

I have no sympathy for Oilers fans.

And yes, Ron Maclean is utterly terrible.

[CaptainCrunch]

Realistically outside of game one, the Ducks have been slowly pulling away from the Oilers and that's what depth and experience can do for a team.

In game one the Oilers were the better team and won, in game two the Ducks were the better team but Talbot stole it, in game three the Ducks were a better team, and in game four the Oilers were better in period one, set back in period two and the Ducks defensively were really excellent in period three..

Its going to be very tough for the Oilers to gain momentum back, frankly their lack of depth is really starting to show and McDavid hasn't been lights out and Draisaitl hasn't been lights out good either. The rest of their lineup just looks like they're hanging on by a finger tip.

The scary thing for the Oilers has to be that the Ducks while they've been the better team haven't been at their best yet, but with Momentum and the energy from their home crowd we could see that.

As for Talbot while he has been good, he's allowed 14 goals in 4 games while still maintaining a .916 svpct which really points to his defense being pretty underwhelming.

[TheIronMaiden]

I'm no expert, but wasn't Talbot's foot outside the crease during contact.
Does that factor in or does the crease still mean nothing?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

First Ducks goal was not more than a slight bump. The league has been consistent this year in saying that's legal this year. I saw the first replay and knew the goal would be allowed.

Second goal was technically offside the way they have been calling it this year. However in any previous year or later year that's not offside (I'm predicting rule clarifications in the offseason). The Oilers couldn't challenge because they had used their time out, but are the replays conclusive enough to actually overturn the call on the ice? I'm not sure that they are. Either way, any sane person knows that Perry was inside in the spirit of the rule.

In O, the back linesman has his hand up for icing the whole time until the puck was touched, did that distract the Oilers forwards? Either way, if the one linesman had waved it off, there's nothing to complain about. You have to play to the whistle in any case.

I have no sympathy for Oilers fans.

And yes, Ron Maclean is utterly terrible.

The argument for waiving off the icing is valid, the defensemen kept playing the Ducks chase player before turning to get the puck, the logic is that if he would have played the puck it wouldn't have gotten to the icing line.

In terms of the goaltending, it was pretty incidental contact and that's going to happen at the edge of the crease when a player going to the front of the net is channeled like that by the defenseman. I've seen worse contact and goals allowed.

On the offside when we're arguing mm's then the review rule is stupid. This isn't science its hockey.

I also think that the rule for reviews should be changed to a maximum time of 3 minutes for a review. if you can't find something in 3 minutes to overturn the call on the ice, it becomes now your nitpicking and looking for reasons.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The offside goal really is a non-issue as at speed it was so close that I wouldn't expect any human being to be able to get the right call more than 50% of the time. The fact that the Oilers didn't have a time out to challenge it isn't the officials fault. Officials made the right call according to the rules on the 1st goal and called a fair game from the opening puck drop as if they really were biased there's no way they call that late penalty on Vermette which ultimately led to the tying goal.

I realize on HF it's all "refs screwed us" but really the series has come down to goaltending and your best players being your best players. Talbot better in games 1 & 2 and Gibson better in games 2 & 3 and Getzlaf has outplayed any Oiler forward including McDavid. That's the difference not the officiating. If Talbot is lights out in game five it will be a 3-2 series Oilers lead and if he's mediocre again then it's probably going to be 3-2 Ducks.

I completely agree with everything except the bolded. I think that Game 3 was the only game in which Gibson was better than Talbot. Honestly, Gibson has been just okay throughout the playoffs. I thought he was terrific in Game 4 v. Calgary, but otherwise has not really been good enough consistently to get past the next round for sure.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I completely agree with everything except the bolded. I think that Game 3 was the only game in which Gibson was better than Talbot. Honestly, Gibson has been just okay throughout the playoffs. I thought he was terrific in Game 4 v. Calgary, but otherwise has not really been good enough consistently to get past the next round for sure.

I don't think Gibson has been great going back to the Flames series but he has made some really good key saves at times in both series and since Talbot was bad in game 2 Gibson gets the nod by default. It's not McDavid that stirs that gross orange drink, it's Talbot. If he's not standing on his head that team isn't beating anyone. Will he be lights out again in Aneheim like the first two games? Maybe but the guy has played 83 games this season and eventually fatigue may take a toll.

[Since1984]

I was watching this game thinking, Man this was just like watching the Flames games against the Ducks. Borderline calls always going the Ducks way. The difference now? I actually love it....Please lose the rest of your games Oilers

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think Gibson has been great going back to the Flames series but he has made some really good key saves at times in both series and since Talbot was bad in game 2 Gibson gets the nod by default. It's not McDavid that stirs that gross orange drink, it's Talbot. If he's not standing on his head that team isn't beating anyone. Will he be lights out again in Aneheim like the first two games? Maybe but the guy has played 83 games this season and eventually fatigue may take a toll.

Yeah, I have been expecting this all season. After a quick review of goalies over the course of the past decade playing late in then playoffs, it does seem that there is around an 85–90-game limit for almost all of them before they really start to tail off. With how much hockey Talbot has played this year, I don't expect him to be better as his season continues. I think we have probably seen the best of him.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Ruttiger

Ha - so you're going to base that on one game rather than 2 full seasons of track record? That's funny.

Looks like someone's cheerios were a bit poopy this morning.

Have to get those last few jabs in while you can I guess. Only a few days left before the fairytale is over.

Also have to give it up to Dr. Dry Saddle. Quite a season. He is going to be a very wealthy man this summer.

[automaton 3]

It was Corey Perry - that guy is a master of accidently on purpose running into the goalie.

There is no way that was incidental in my opinion.

[dino7c]

Remember the high stick goal that the league confirmed as a good goal? Remember Oiler fans calling us whiners?

[old-fart]

The first Ducks goal was a good goal and the correct call was made. Perry was funneled into Talbot by the defenseman's ass, the contact was at best minimal and occurred outside the crease. Oiler fans (include Ron) can whine and cry all they want, that is the right call.

The second goal may have technically been offside, but only if you assume the skate was in the air at the time and not touching the ice. There is no way there was enough evidence to overturn the call on the ice. His skate is clearly still on (or over) the blue line and was not raised up to knee height so I doubt even if the Oilers could challenge that one that it would have been overturned.

The OT goal was not icing. Yes the puck was shot down the ice from behind the red line however the defenceman made no effort to play the puck and actually turned away from it on his pivot. The waive that off 10 times out of 10, and the Oiler players, including Talbot, never indicated on the ice that they thought it should be icing. That was just a bad giveaway by Larson (sp? - I don't care enough to look up how to spell "replacement-Hall") that led to a wide open player. Where were all the Oilers on the ice, going for a line change?

I went to sleep with a nice smile on my face.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Realistically outside of game one, the Ducks have been slowly pulling away from the Oilers and that's what depth and experience can do for a team.

Experience sure, but I wouldn't say depth. The Ducks have offensively been a two man show in this series. Getzlaf and Silfverberg have 9 of their teams 14 goals. Getzlaf especially is again the best player in this series.

In comparison, McDavid and Maroon combine for 6 goals in this series while the rest of the Oilers have 9.

[gottabekd]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

It was Corey Perry - that guy is a master of accidently on purpose running into the goalie.

There is no way that was incidental in my opinion.

For that reason, I would have been happy to see it called a no-goal. I hate Perry, and I hate how he 'accidentally' bumps the goalie every time he is on the ice. If that play happened against the Flames, I would be incensed.

But since it happened to the Oilers in a playoff game, I can deal with it.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

It was Corey Perry - that guy is a master of accidently on purpose running into the goalie.

There is no way that was incidental in my opinion.

Except he's a master at it because he never gets called. He does just enough to interfere, not enough to overturn.

[dino7c]

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the Pacific is/was good enough to win it all

Pretty sure the Preds are going to the finals