[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Wingman17]

Originally Posted by guuar

Yes they absolutely do. Is it this hard for you to understand?

If they trade #13 #14 and #15 and draft Werenski or Provorov instead they are going to take completely different players with their 2nd round picks in 2015 and their 1st round picks in 2016.

Would be the same thing if Calgary had traded all three 1st round picks for Monahan. If they have Nathan Mackinnon it's very likely we don't draft Sam Bennett. More likely they go after William Nylander in order to give Mackinnon solid 1st line players. I mean a line of...

Gaudreau - Mackinnon - W. Nylander

Would be incredibly sick right now. We likely also don't take Mason Macdonald in the 2nd round in 2014.

Every pick and trade has an effect on the future decisions you make. You know like the butterfly effect.

So every GM should avoid BPA and base there pick on the opposite of what they picked in the previous draft? Sounds reasonable.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by guuar

Fact is he is constantly out of position forcing himself to take bad penalties. Not to mention he has no control of his temper at all. This season in particular he took many hot headed penalties that weren't necessary at all.

So he certainly is a highly skilled D man. You are blind and ignorant if you think we absolutely robbed the bruins. They have extremely good prospect depth because of the 2015 and 2016 NHL drafts and are still pushing the playoffs just as the flames are.

Everyone is going to blame Elliot and rightfully so as he let in weak goals. Fact is guys like Hamilton taking bad penalties put us in that situation to lose in the first place.

The only fact you've proven is that you, an idiot, are in fact, an idiot.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

The only fact you've proven is that you, an idiot, are in fact, an idiot.

He's already banned. Let it go

[Royle9]

Hold your horses guys, the verdict is out on Janko.. BUST

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Tinfoil hats on before reading.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Hold your horses guys, the verdict is out on Janko.. BUST

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Tinfoil hats on before reading.

That article is over a year old

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Hold your horses guys, the verdict is out on Janko.. BUST

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Tinfoil hats on before reading.

This is what happens when you watch stats instead of watching hockey.

And isn't Lambert that unabashed Flames basher eveything Oilers is awesome moron?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This is what happens when you watch stats instead of watching hockey.

And isn't Lambert that unabashed Flames basher eveything Oilers is awesome moron?

Lambert is far more smug not-as-funny-as-he-tells-everyome-he-is than a Flames basher

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by calculoso

That article is over a year old

Lambert looking like a fool never gets old though.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Hold your horses guys, the verdict is out on Janko.. BUST

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Tinfoil hats on before reading.

old and terrible article that the author should be ashamed of - but I enjoyed the video watching Mark Jankowski get selected 5 years ago. So thanks for that.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Cool, we are actually talking about Jankowski in the Jankowski thread.

What is the NHLe conversion for the AHL? 56 in 64 seems pretty decent.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Cool, we are actually talking about Jankowski in the Jankowski thread.

What is the NHLe conversion for the AHL? 56 in 64 seems pretty decent.

I think it's around 25-30 points.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I think it's around 25-30 points.

34 points as per this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2017733463

[DJones]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

34 points as per this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2017733463

.47 seems kind of low for AHL to NHL.

Probably a decent average but pretty much assumes no AHL player will crack 45 points.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DJones

.47 seems kind of low for AHL to NHL.

Probably a decent average but pretty much assumes no AHL player will crack 45 points.

Bear in mind that this is on aggregate, and there will always be outliers on either end of the spectrum. Of course there are bound to be AHL players who outperform their NHLe, but this is balanced out against those who fail to do so.

It might also need to be updated. The last update to the AHL NHLe was in Nov 2015.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by DJones

.47 seems kind of low for AHL to NHL.

Probably a decent average but pretty much assumes no AHL player will crack 45 points.

It doesn't assume that at all. It's a prediction that of course can go either way but it's actually a real good system.

Important to keep in mind Jankowski's age as well and what he's doing in the AHL.

34 points next year for him would be a pretty big success. Monahan had 34 points in his first year and he was a higher pick and it was considered a big success.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

34 points next year for him would be a pretty big success. Monahan had 34 points in his first year and he was a higher pick and it was considered a big success.

Monahan did it directly after being drafted though. Jankowski was drafted 5 years ago. Becoming a full-time NHL player would be a "pretty big success" for Jankowski next year, but no real point comparing anything he does next season as a 23 year old to Monahan's rookie year. Just not at all the same situation.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by DJones

.47 seems kind of low for AHL to NHL.

Probably a decent average but pretty much assumes no AHL player will crack 45 points.

45 points is a lot for a rookie, especially since the best guys mostly skip the AHL.

Mark Stone is the only recent guy I can think of who put up better numbers than that.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

It doesn't assume that at all. It's a prediction that of course can go either way but it's actually a real good system.

Important to keep in mind Jankowski's age as well and what he's doing in the AHL.

34 points next year for him would be a pretty big success. Monahan had 34 points in his first year and he was a higher pick and it was considered a big success.

Considering he will be 23 years old and will have nearly 80 games worth of pro hockey under his belt I would expect Jankowski to transition fairly smoothly to the NHL. 35 - 40 points would be fantastic if he was placed in a third line role with limited PP minutes.

In my opinion the next 8-10 months will likely determine his fate as a Calgary Flame.

[GullFoss]

34 points would statistically make Jankowski a top 6 forward...

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

34 points would statistically make Jankowski a top 6 forward...

Every player on the Flames second line scored least 44 points last year so I don't really get that at all.