Who do you WANT the Flames Starting Goalie To Be Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

But then there's this angle too, and if it's Bishop, it's Bishop. If Tampa didn't have Vasilevsky, and didn't have a bunch of guys who need raises, Bishop would still be a member of the Lightning.

He's BPA, and he'll likely cost a little less given his subpar-ish season. And he can play the puck.

#### it.

I'd be happy with either. Both with a proven track record.

[CSharp]

Meh, I don't think any goalies matter with the Flames. As long as the team remains the same as it was through the past few seasons without any huge upgrades on the first and 3rd lines, this team will never be a Cup contender team. So, go with an average goalie for as cheap as possible until you have a big fast team that can score at will. Stanley Cup winners in the past has shown that you can have an average goalie and still win it all. Look at the Oilers right now. I wouldn't call Talbot as an elite goalie, but their top two lines are frickin huge and can score. They can win with anyone in net, even with Dubnyk, who they gave up on.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

My opinion that wastes another year of our young core. You actually want to weaken the goaltending tandem next year?

Do you view the flames as a contender next year?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Do you view the flames as a contender next year?

Relying on a career backup who's never started more than 40ish games in a season to be the #1?

Relying on a young goalie with a total of 1 season in the A and 1 game in the NHL to be your full time backup?

With that kind of goaltending I think we are in another rebuild year. You've just described one of the worst case scenarios for a goalie offseason...

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Do you view the flames as a contender next year?

With the right couple of moves I do. Get a legit number 1 goalie and tinker with the blueline i think they are ready to push

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Do you view the flames as a contender next year?

I don't think the Senators, Oilers, Ducks, Rangers, Blues, or Predators are better teams. They just get better goaltending. If the Flames could get consistently good (not even great) goaltending they should be a 100 point team. The team was flat out terrible for 1/3 of the season and still were only a few wins shy of that mark.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think the Senators, Oilers, Ducks, Rangers, Blues, or Predators are better teams. They just get better goaltending. If the Flames could get consistently good (not even great) goaltending they should be a 100 point team. The team was flat out terrible for 1/3 of the season and still were only a few wins shy of that mark.

Very much this. I feel people are significantly underestimating the quality of this team because of the poor goaltending.

This core has never gotten even league average goaltending, and is very much still developing, but it has already made the playoffs twice.

If we can find a goaltender, the future looks pretty good.

[stone hands]

I really liked johnson's game for most of the year - he really willed this team out of a deep hole. Elliot got 11 wins, full marks there, and that basically stopped any chance of him getting anything more than sporadic starts to show that again. He was shaky at times, no doubt, but I always felt more comfortable with johnson in net. So comfortable I honestly wouldn't bat an eye if he was the starter next year to make space for other moves on the roster

[TheScorpion]

At this point, screw it and just get Bishop. He's the BPA

[Travis Munroe]

If it is between Fleury and Bishop

Skillset
MAF - 8.5
Bishop - 9

Contract
MAF - 10 (couple years left)
Bishop - 3 (locked in for 6+ years)


What is the argument to take Bishop over Fleury other than "I like him more" or "I dont want to give up assets" (which Fleury should be had for dirt cheap given he is going for free if they don't do something).

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

At this point, screw it and just get Bishop. He's the BPA

I had a good laugh reading this.... just picturing Tre sitting in his office and looks at the ceiling and says to himself, "screw it, lets go with Bishop".

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

If it is between Fleury and Bishop

Skillset
MAF - 8.5
Bishop - 9

Contract
MAF - 10 (couple years left)
Bishop - 3 (locked in for 6+ years)


What is the argument to take Bishop over Fleury other than "I like him more" or "I dont want to give up assets" (which Fleury should be had for dirt cheap given he is going for free if they don't do something).

I would take Fleury over Bishop. Proven winner, played with some of the best players in the game in Crosby and Malkin. He could provide valuable leadership and experience too. He has played a ton of playoff hockey and all his teammates consider him an awesome personality. His contract is more favorable and he could potentially be had on the cheap. With Bishop you are locking yourself in for 5+ years at likely 6+mill per season.

[Poe969]

I agree with some assuming that Bishop wants a 6x6 contract or more. If he's willing to sign a 2-4 year deal, I'd take him. If he wants more than 4 years I'd look elsewhere. Until we know what Bishop's contract demands are, we can only speculate.

If everything was equal, I'd take Bishop over MAF but there are a lot of variables.

The pens could be forced to buy out MAF and he might want a 5 year deal as a UFA too. Who do you take then?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

If it is between Fleury and Bishop

Skillset
MAF - 8.5
Bishop - 9

Contract
MAF - 10 (couple years left)
Bishop - 3 (locked in for 6+ years)


What is the argument to take Bishop over Fleury other than "I like him more" or "I dont want to give up assets" (which Fleury should be had for dirt cheap given he is going for free if they don't do something).

You make no statement about the acquisition cost. Bishop costs cap space and Fleury costs assets to acquire. Are you prepared to move a decent prospect or pick for Fleury?

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You make no statement about the acquisition cost. Bishop costs cap space and Fleury costs assets to acquire. Are you prepared to move a decent prospect or pick for Fleury?

Not necessarily. The Penguins need someone to take Fleury off their hands, otherwise they are forced to protect him in the expansion draft. So if you were the Penguins, would you buy him out, or would you rather give him up for basically whatever you are getting? The reason he didn't get traded is because the Penguins probably were getting low ball offers for him. That said, they were better off keeping him for this years playoffs and a shot at another cup in the event an injury occurs to Murray (which is exactly what happened) and deal with any potential trades after the playoffs.

[Toonage]

There will be a window where the Penguins can take it down to the wire and create a bidding war - even a small one. There is no guarantee they will have to give MAF away for nothing.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Young_Guns

Not necessarily. The Penguins need someone to take Fleury off their hands, otherwise they are forced to protect him in the expansion draft. So if you were the Penguins, would you buy him out, or would you rather give him up for basically whatever you are getting? The reason he didn't get traded is because the Penguins probably were getting low ball offers for him. That said, they were better off keeping him for this years playoffs and a shot at another cup in the event an injury occurs to Murray (which is exactly what happened) and deal with any potential trades after the playoffs.

The way Fleury has played in the playoffs leads me to believe they will have options and not have to simply give him away. I expect the price to be at least a 2nd rounder or equivalent value.

[Cycling76er]

18 pages into a thread about goaltending and we're still talking about goaltending without a derailment! This is some kind of record! I'm so proud of you all!

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The way Fleury has played in the playoffs leads me to believe they will have options and not have to simply give him away. I expect the price to be at least a 2nd rounder or equivalent value.

Yes but league wide, which teams need a goalie? Dallas, Calgary, Vancouver and potentially Colorado are pretty much the only ones that come to mind, besides Vegas. Colorado has bigger issues to worry about right now, Dallas is handcuffed with Lehtonen and Niemi (I doubt they have any takers for those 2 guys). I think reality is, there aren't that many landing spots for Fleury so PIT may not get exactly what they are looking for in return.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Young_Guns

Yes but league wide, which teams need a goalie? Dallas, Calgary, Vancouver and potentially Colorado are pretty much the only ones that come to mind, besides Vegas. Colorado has bigger issues to worry about right now, Dallas is handcuffed with Lehtonen and Niemi (I doubt they have any takers for those 2 guys). I think reality is, there aren't that many landing spots for Fleury so PIT may not get exactly what they are looking for in return.

You can add Carolina and Winnipeg to your list of teams needing a goalie. If Fleury refuses to waive to Calgary because he wants to play in the states the Pens either move him to Dallas, buy him out, or trade Murray for a huge return