2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by StanTheMan

Fox was over a PPG player as a ROOKIE - scoring 40 points in 35 games. Jankowski wasn't even close to that, ONLY scoring 18 points in 34 games as a rookie. It wasn't until his SENIOR year that he was over a PPG, and even then, Janko's senior production is STILL behind Fox's rookie season! On top of that, Janko is a FORWARD while Fox is a DMAN.

Jankowski and Fox is a terrible comparison, but for context, Jankowski's 18 points were good for 5th on his team and six points behind the top point getter.

Hard to fault Jankowski's numbers in any comparison when he was playing for a very defensive team during his college career

[Roof-Daddy]

So apparently "Vladdy Hockey" (Vladimir Tkachyov) who the oilers attempted to sign when he was still too young or whatever, is going to attend NYR development camp this summer.

39 points in 49 games as a 21 year old in the KHL.

NHLe has him at approximately 52 points in a full NHL season.

More found money for big market American team.

Right shooting winger too.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I still rank Jankowski ahead of Fox (and it isn't even close in my mind). Next up is Parsons.

I still rank Kylington and Andersson ahead of Fox myself.

I think Fox struggled in the WJC in his own zone way too much for my liking. He is great at putting up points, and he did so at a very impressive rate not seen for quite a long time, but it isn't as simple for a defencemen as it is for an undersized winger putting up points. Defencemen have to be relied on to actually play defence, and I am more cautious when it comes to Fox in that regard into being able to translate his game into the NHL. I definitely wouldn't proclaim him as being some bust - he DEFINITELY is not a bust - but I myself pump the breaks on him a bit until I see him play more effective defence consistently. He won't be worth much as a PP specialist. He won't be a top 4 defencemen until he is able to play defence well. I guess I would call myself 'cautiously optimistic' about Fox. Great prospect to have, and I am glad that the Flames took a shot at him, but 'waiting and seeing' how he develops defensively before I get over-excited.

Jankowski is a play making center, and I bet that unless Bennett takes that big step forward, Jankowski will end up becoming a pretty good 2nd line center. I think he is great in all zones, has wonderful IQ and knows where to go and who to look for, can make sweet passes all day, uses his reach so damn effectively and is a great skater to boot. He also has a pretty nice release and has 'the moves' to create offence for himself.

I really feel he is the Flames' best prospect, with Parsons coming up a close 2nd now. Parsons is very, very impressive in my mind.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Sorry but it will not happen like that.

IF Jersey does not want him in the line up, they will allow his agent to talk to other teams, and work out a sign trade.

I made a typo. I think both parties hold some cards. Jersey controls Kovys ability to play in the league. Not only do they have a vote if he can return, but they have to sign off on the contract.

Kovy, however, has the card that he can be an asset, whether that's a trade value or playing value. He can also just retire again if Jersey doesn't comply.

I don't know about the sign and trade to be honest with you. Think about it, 29 other GMs need to sign off on him entering the league. If you're the Oilers GM and you hear that the Flames were awarded the Kovalchuk deal, are you going to approve the vote to having Kovalchuk back in the league? You can screw over the whole thing for them.

I guess it depends if the vote is done before or after the contract is signed, but if it's done after, then any sign and trade is either kept secret (ie, Kovalchuk already decided he wants to play for the Capitals and nobody else), which reduces your chance of getting anything of value in a trade, or you go the route I indicated, which is a tradeable contract with full NTC so that Kovalchuk gets a say in the trade and all GMs vote for approval.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

I'd think calling Jankowski a playmaking top 2 line centre is equally overrating a prospect.

Then you're uninformed about Jankowski sir. Follow the farm team and his progress.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I made a typo. I think both parties hold some cards. Jersey controls Kovys ability to play in the league. Not only do they have a vote if he can return, but they have to sign off on the contract.

Kovy, however, has the card that he can be an asset, whether that's a trade value or playing value. He can also just retire again if Jersey doesn't comply.

I don't know about the sign and trade to be honest with you. Think about it, 29 other GMs need to sign off on him entering the league. If you're the Oilers GM and you hear that the Flames were awarded the Kovalchuk deal, are you going to approve the vote to having Kovalchuk back in the league? You can screw over the whole thing for them.

I guess it depends if the vote is done before or after the contract is signed, but if it's done after, then any sign and trade is either kept secret (ie, Kovalchuk already decided he wants to play for the Capitals and nobody else), which reduces your chance of getting anything of value in a trade, or you go the route I indicated, which is a tradeable contract with full NTC so that Kovalchuk gets a say in the trade and all GMs vote for approval.

Kovy would sign a deal with the Devils first, and then they will trade him to the team he's already agreed/requested to go to, so there won't be any vote IMO.

Also, I think the above scenario severely limits the return the Devils will get for any Kovalchuk trade because the market for him is pretty limited to one team. Again, IMO.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Then you're uninformed about Jankowski sir. Follow the farm team and his progress.

If Janko is a top 6 centre he wouldn't be in the AHL. He has the potential sure. As of right now it's still potential.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

If Janko is a top 6 centre he wouldn't be in the AHL. He has the potential sure. As of right now it's still potential.

He would have to beat out Monahan and Backlund to be a top 6 center on the Flames. This doesn't mean that he couldn't be an NHL top 6 center. Just a testament to the Flames' center depth.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

If Janko is a top 6 centre he wouldn't be in the AHL. He has the potential sure. As of right now it's still potential.

Yep. And Fox's potential is so much further from being realized.

Jankowski will spend part of next season in the NHL. Jankowski has higher upside IMO and a much higher likelihood of achieving it. Thus he's a slam dunk to be rated ahead of Fox.

Strange that Jankowski still gets underrated on this board. He's easily ahead of all the skaters as our top non-goalie prospect. Fox is nowhere close IMO. I'd have Andersson and Kylington ahead of Fox

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So apparently "Vladdy Hockey" (Vladimir Tkachyov) who the oilers attempted to sign when he was still too young or whatever, is going to attend NYR development camp this summer.

39 points in 49 games as a 21 year old in the KHL.

NHLe has him at approximately 52 points in a full NHL season.

More found money for big market American team.

Right shooting winger too.

I can't understand the New York appeal. The Rangers are probably ranked below the Yankees, Jets, Giants, Nets and maybe even the Mets too.

The city is a concrete jungle, at least 5 hours away from any nature like Niagara Falls. I believe the average tax rate is about 29%.

Someone know something about that city I don't?

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by mdubz

He would have to beat out Monahan and Backlund to be a top 6 center on the Flames. This doesn't mean that he couldn't be an NHL top 6 center. Just a testament to the Flames' center depth.

Flames center depth is pretty average. They have an average to below average number one, a top second line center, and then it falls off from there.

The fact that Jankowski only played 1 NHL game last season is a bit of a head scratcher. Do the Flames not believe in him? Its not like the team is know for letting their prospects over ripen.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Flames center depth is pretty average. They have an average to below average number one, a top second line center, and then it falls off from there.

The fact that Jankowski only played 1 NHL game last season is a bit of a head scratcher. Do the Flames not believe in him? Its not like the team is know for letting their prospects over ripen.

lmao wat a troll lol

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Flames center depth is pretty average. They have an average to below average number one, a top second line center, and then it falls off from there.

The fact that Jankowski only played 1 NHL game last season is a bit of a head scratcher. Do the Flames not believe in him? Its not like the team is know for letting their prospects over ripen.

He was in College for 4 years and then is a rookie in the AHL. It is better to let him get top line Minutes in the AHL rather than 4th line NHL minutes. The Flames are trying to develop Bennett as a Center, so there really was no room for him with the big club. If he has a good camp i would not be suprised if they shift Bennett back to wing and slide Jankowski into 3C.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Hes

He was in College for 4 years and then is a rookie in the AHL. It is better to let him get top line Minutes in the AHL rather than 4th line NHL minutes. The Flames are trying to develop Bennett as a Center, so there really was no room for him with the big club. If he has a good camp i would not be suprised if they shift Bennett back to wing and slide Jankowski into 3C.

You can make an argument that playing in the AHL is better than playing bottom six minutes, but the Flames org doesn't seem to share that philosophy.

They broke in most of their players like Bennett, Monahan, Ferland, Brodie, Granlund etc playing on the bottom of the roster.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

You can make an argument that playing in the AHL is better than playing bottom six minutes, but the Flames org doesn't seem to share that philosophy.

They broke in most of their players like Bennett, Monahan, Ferland, Brodie, Granlund etc playing on the bottom of the roster.

All of those except Bennett were before Treliving was hired. And Bennett was a 4th overall pick.

Bennett missed the entire regular season, and was still sent back to junior. He was only recalled after his team was eliminated in the playoffs.

Treliving isn't Feaster.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I can't understand the New York appeal. The Rangers are probably ranked below the Yankees, Jets, Giants, Nets and maybe even the Mets too.

The city is a concrete jungle, at least 5 hours away from any nature like Niagara Falls. I believe the average tax rate is about 29%.

Someone know something about that city I don't?

Everyone, apparently.

It'd be a shorter list to name things that aren't appealing about New York to someone who can comfortably afford living there. Packed with culture, always "happening," and extremely celeb friendly as they mostly blend in and are left alone (especially with hockey players I imagine).

I don't know why your version of nature is Niagra Falls, but it's got Central Park (which is massive) and plenty of areas in the state.

The appeal to NY is obvious.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

You can make an argument that playing in the AHL is better than playing bottom six minutes, but the Flames org doesn't seem to share that philosophy.

They broke in most of their players like Bennett, Monahan, Ferland, Brodie, Granlund etc playing on the bottom of the roster.

Ferland, Brodie and Granlund all played significant amounts of AHL games of multiple seasons, and Monahan and Bennett were both high picks that either had to go back to junior or stay in the NHL.

Very weird drawing comparison's from any of those players to Jankowski.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The appeal to NY is obvious.

I don't know if you'll ever successfully explain it to someone that doesn't see it right away.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Flames center depth is pretty average. They have an average to below average number one, a top second line center, and then it falls off from there.

The fact that Jankowski only played 1 NHL game last season is a bit of a head scratcher. Do the Flames not believe in him? Its not like the team is know for letting their prospects over ripen.

1. Our centres were fairly healthy last year
2. Jankowski was a project pick. Best to let him continue to fill into his body and dominate at each level before moving up. It's called development, something the Oilers know very little about so I'm not surprised that you don't understand it.

Jankowski was drafted as a skinny, super skilled player out of high school. It's been a long road but he looks on track to be a top two line centre in the NHL within the next year or so

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I can't understand the New York appeal. The Rangers are probably ranked below the Yankees, Jets, Giants, Nets and maybe even the Mets too.

The city is a concrete jungle, at least 5 hours away from any nature like Niagara Falls. I believe the average tax rate is about 29%.

Someone know something about that city I don't?

I hear NYC is a ghost town. Nothing going on there.