The Flames Expansion Draft Protection/Exposure/Exempt Thread

[VladtheImpaler]

I would think LV takes Brouwer if he is available. He is not THATexpensive, especially for a team that will be more concerned with the floor than the ceiling for the term of his contract... plus he helps to hit the draft minimum. He is the sort of solid veteran that plays in the top 6 (maybe even top 3) of an expansion team - heck, he would probably have a career year with all the opportunity he will get (25-25 would not be out of the question there). You can slap the "C" on him. That's one (most likely) option. The other one, as someone else brought up, is you take him, retain 40-50%, and flip him for as much as perhaps a 1st rounder from a contender. If you are a perpetual challenger in need of a "heavy" winger, Brouwer at $2.5M or so is great. Say, Montreal...

[The Fonz]

I could see Brouwer going to LV, too. He has the connection with McPhee from their days in Washington where Brouwer had some great years, and with only 3yrs remaining @ $4.5M, Brouwer's contract isn't one that will hamper LV long-term whatsoever (it'll expire when their 2017 1st-4th overall pick needs a new contract).

He's a leader and a warrior (despite what we've seen this season), and LV will need a few of those.

[PugnaciousIntern]

I agree that if Brouwer goes unprotected, he is a likely casualty.

That doesn't necessarily make it a bad decision. He is a relatively unique player and not as easily replaceable as a run-of-the-mill 13th forward or 7th defenceman, but for 4.5mil, I'm comfortable we can get something of similar value on the free market.

In addition, if he is taken, it means we keep somebody who would have otherwise been picked up. We need to weigh the value of keeping that asset in the decision to expose Brouwer

[oldschoolcalgary]

SIAP

so, i am assuming these guys know the rules on the expansion

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/potentia...-draft~1069609

the part on calgary starts at 4:35

they only list:

G: McCollum
D: Bartkowski
F: Bouma
F: Chiasson
F: Stajan

of course our UFA can also be picked but i think we roll the dice on that... also i still see Lazar on the protected list ahead of Brouwer, but that's really just a guess.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

SIAP

so, i am assuming these guys know the rules on the expansion

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/potentia...-draft~1069609

the part on calgary starts at 4:35

they only list:

G: McCollum
D: Bartkowski
F: Bouma
F: Chiasson
F: Stajan

of course our UFA can also be picked but i think we roll the dice on that... also i still see Lazar on the protected list ahead of Brouwer, but that's really just a guess.

I don't think you could possibly justify spending a 2nd round pick on Lazar and leave him unprotected.

[David Struch]

If the Golden Knights choose enough NHL veterans from the other 29 teams, those Stockton Heat kids may be all right choices as well, you gotta think Vegas is definitely also considering plucking one of the following from the Flames...

Shinkaruk
Kulak
Wotherspoon (if re-signed)

[Fire]

Maybe Shinkaruk, but I doubt they would be interested in the others.

[DoubleK]

I'm surprised there is no games played requirement for the exposed goaltender.

[sureLoss]

Hathaway is exempt from the expansion draft

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by David Struch

If the Golden Knights choose enough NHL veterans from the other 29 teams, those Stockton Heat kids may be all right choices as well, you gotta think Vegas is definitely also considering plucking one of the following from the Flames...

Hathaway
Shinkaruk
Kulak
Wotherspoon (if re-signed)

Yeah I expect only half the players LV picks will form their NHL roster. I could see them plucking 15 or so NHL players in the expansion draft, with the rest of their NHL roster coming through UFA and maybe trades. So maybe half of their expansion picks will be more prospect type players.

This is why I think its unlikely they do teams any favors by taking their bad contracts unless the teams offer a sweetener. The cap floor can be achieved through pricey short term deals, or their own UFA signings.

I think Shinkaruk is most likely Flame to be picked. And I expect Brouwer to be exposed.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The cap floor can be achieved through pricey short term deals, or their own UFA signings.

They're going to need to take some money on...

The Las Vegas franchise must select players with an aggregate Expansion Draft value that is between 60-100% of the prior season's upper limit for the salary cap.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansi...es/c-281010592

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Parallex

They're going to need to take some money on...



https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansi...es/c-281010592

Good point. But selecting 30 players equal to $42 million or so shouldn't be that hard, should it?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Good point. But selecting 30 players equal to $42 million or so shouldn't be that hard, should it?

Nope. See the mock draft thread to see some of the salaries so far. If you're taking only ELC players, you might end up below the cap floor, but that's pretty hard to do and still ice a roster that has any chance of competing. There are going to be a few salaries in the 4-5 million range and that should put you over $42 million.

But don't forget, the 30 players selected aren't going to apply to the cap, only the 20-some players on the roster apply to the cap. So you need every player to make $2 million on average to hit the floor.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

That's what the league is fighting though. If Stone wants to be in Calgary, and Calgary wants Stone, then the league wants Calgary to re-sign him and protect him in the expansion draft.

To leave Stone un-signed and un-protected, only to sign him after the expansion draft so as not to lose any of Stone/Brodie/Giordano/Hamilton to LV, is a clear circumvention of the expansion draft rules. I realize people are saying "how can they prove it?", but that's really not up to me to determine. The Deputy Commissioner said teams will receive heavy fines (1st round draft choice) if caught "screwing with the rules".

Are there actual rules that say you can't resign your free agent after the expansion draft? I know the optics are bad but unless there is an actual rule wouldn't it be hard to enforce? If they really wanted to enforce this wouldn't;t they say you can't resign UFA for 3 months after the draft or some such thing?

[cannon7]

Stone can sign wherever he wants as a UFA. There's no expansion draft circumvention when the player is on the free market.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Are there actual rules that say you can't resign your free agent after the expansion draft? I know the optics are bad but unless there is an actual rule wouldn't it be hard to enforce? If they really wanted to enforce this wouldn't;t they say you can't resign UFA for 3 months after the draft or some such thing?

They can't do that because it's not fair to the UFA's. They have earned thee right to test free agency and sign anywhere they want to given that team offers them a contract.

1. Expansion draft happens
2. Entry draft happens
3. Flames sign Stone
4. Free agency opens up

League will probably go after the Flames in that scenario.

1. Expansion draft happens
2. Entry draft happens
3. Free agency opens up
4. Flames sign Stone

League can't do a thing about it, they've broken no rules.

[Moneyhands23]

Will CP explode if Troy Brower is protected....

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Will CP explode if Troy Brower is protected....

Brouwer getting protected means that one of Lazar or Ferland gets exposed. And if that happens, I'll lose my ####ing mind.

[AC]

I was a big proponent of the "Brouwer is not getting exposed" charge during the season.

I think Ferly's success on the top line and the addition of Lazar have changed that. Brouwer will get definitely be left exposed now IMO.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by AC

I was a big proponent of the "Brouwer is not getting exposed" charge during the season.

I think Ferly's success on the top line and the addition of Lazar have changed that. Brouwer will get definitely be left exposed now IMO.

Would be hard to accept Lazar being exposed after giving up a 2nd for him. I agree that brower will be exposed just speculating on the cp melt down if not. 2 b honest id avoid cp for a week if he was protected lol.