[PGT] WCQF Game 4: Ducks 3 - Flames 1; Anaheim wins series in sweep

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I wouldn't say a ton of problems at all. And even if Gaudreau never improves on his first three seasons you make that fourth round selection EVERY DAY.

Draft him 4th round yes... since you brought it up out of nowhere, I would never argue otherwise. Pay him (and they have in fact paid him) more than career trajectory Huselius level player? I dunno.

[crapshoot]

Thanks for the season, I'm already looking forward to next. I thought the Flames got a terrible deal this playoff series. As for how sweeps usually look, this was not supposed to be one.

I thought the Flames played well during all four games. It's all one-goal games with one of the in OT. Good on the PP, good on the PK, they scored nine goals over four games and never got shut out, they had some players that really stepped up (Bennett, Monahan, Versteeg).

I also thought Gulutzan made some adjustments during the series (even though his decision to keep playing Brouwer like he's some sort of all-situations superhero is quite baffling).

I'm gonna go ahead an pile on Elliott. Remove the soft goals and we probably have different outcomes in at least a few of the games here. Put Jake Allen like he plays right now in the Flames net and we have a reverse sweep. We needed Elliott in winning-streak form to show up, not Elliott from October, and he knows it too. That early goal tonight was a joke, and it's pretty sad that his tenure with the Flames probably ends like that, because he really carried this team for a long time this season.

Sucks to go out like this, but we'll get them next year. The tide is just about to turn.

[CaptainYooh]

Well, what can I say, I am a big, serious guy but, honestly, I had a tear in my eye when this game ended. Yes, they didn't play very well. Yes, Anaheim was waaaay too dominant. Yes, there were too many goats and too many stupid plays in this series. But I still really hoped that the Flames can win at least one game to avoid the embarrassment of a sweep.

I'm too disappointed right now to make a reasoned judgement. But I do hope the owners can lure Darryl back to Calgary for the next season, although the chances of that happening are pretty much next to zero. This team needs a star coach... I do hope Treliving can get us a solid right wing to play on the line with Johnny. And hopefully, our young goalies can step up to the plate.

It was an interesting season, that's for sure.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

That would be impossible. Not even the same draft.

He doesn't play the same game but he still needs to learn to take the hits.

My mistake, sorry the Oilers had so many its hard to keep track

Anyway the Oilers would take him #1 over RNH every single damn time


let alone the rest of the league passing on him 3 or 4 times

[Canuck-Hater]

Welp time to get drunk.


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[Manhattanboy]

Listening to the interviews. Now I'm very very sad. Our guys competed valiantly and deserved much better.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Draft him 4th round yes... since you brought it up out of nowhere, I would never argue otherwise. Pay him (and they have in fact paid him) more than career trajectory Huselius level player? I dunno.

he is the 3rd Flames player in franchise history to put up 60+ points in his first 3 seasons.

He had a bad series but this is ridiculous

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dino7c

My mistake, sorry the Oilers had so many its hard to keep track

Anyway the Oilers would take him #1 over RNH every single damn time


let alone the rest of the league passing on him 3 or 4 times

not arguing the fact at all. All I'm saying is he needs to learn to take the physical play better. Thia is a league where players make the big hits . He needs to het a little tougher. That's all .

Girlysports said it is unreasonable to expect him to handle the physical play. It is not this is the Nhl and he needs to handle it better or be a middle 6 player dispite his last few seasons. The top 2 lines of moat teams are not going to ahy away on hitting him.

He will he 24 next season start getting use to it.

[direwolf]

Andrew Cogliano after the game talking about the overall series: "We were lucky in a lot of respects, and were very fortunate."

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

not arguing the fact at all. All I'm saying is he needs to learn to take the physical play better. Thia is a league where players make the big hits . He needs to het a little tougher. That's all .

I was responding to the poster who said other teams were being proven "right" to pass on him

that is idiotic

wait that was you? lol

guess you deserve it....like seriously think before you post

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Draft him 4th round yes... since you brought it up out of nowhere, I would never argue otherwise. Pay him (and they have in fact paid him) more than career trajectory Huselius level player? I dunno.

I did not bring up his draft selection out of nowhere. I was responding directly to this bizarre take from combustiblefuel:

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

He better learn to tak hits or learn how to avoid them agian otherwise he is proving to people who passed him over at the draft right...

[Jore]

unlucky series. flames deserved a better fate but bounces and goaltending sunk them.

their depth didn't help. brouwer was useless all series and season and yet got prime pp and empty net time.

bartkowski was at 26% possession tonight and was instrumental in gifting the ducks their 2nd goal. yet continued to get deployed, including over hamilton on the pk in the 2nd, which immediately caused another pk right after and evaporated any momentum the flames got from their goal. i have been saying this for months now, but bartkowski does not belong in an nhl lineup. it's so painfully evident that bartkowski and engelland gets us stuck in our own zone running around and bleeding shots every shift. they were the ones on that famous line-change, and were on the ice for both the high stick goal and the tying goal last game. for bartkowski to be -5 this series (a total goal differential of -3 not counting the eng) in the minutes he gets is actually pretty incredible.

on the bright side, monahan had another strong game. he's more than ppg this playoffs. bennett had a good series. lazar looked really good with poor linemates.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jore

unlucky series. flames deserved a better fate but bounces and goaltending sunk them.

their depth didn't help. brouwer was useless all series and season and yet got prime pp and empty net time.

bartkowski was at 26% possession tonight and was instrumental in gifting the ducks their 2nd goal. yet continued to get deployed, including over hamilton on the pk in the 2nd, which immediately caused another pk right after and evaporated any momentum the flames got from their goal. i have been saying this for months now, but bartkowski does not belong in an nhl lineup. it's so painfully evident that bartkowski and engelland gets us stuck in our own zone running around and bleeding shots every shift. they were the ones on that famous line-change, and were on the ice for both the high stick goal and the tying goal last game. for bartkowski to be -6 this series (a total goal differential of -3 not counting the eng) in the minutes he gets is actually pretty incredible.

on the bright side, monahan had another strong game. he's more than ppg this playoffs. bennett had a good series. lazar looked really good with poor linemates.

to be fair they were dominant on the PP, best in the playoffs...hard to say much about player selection on the PP

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Jore

unlucky series. flames deserved a better fate but bounces and goaltending sunk them.

their depth didn't help. brouwer was useless all series and season and yet got prime pp and empty net time.

bartkowski was at 26% possession tonight and was instrumental in gifting the ducks their 2nd goal. yet continued to get deployed, including over hamilton on the pk in the 2nd, which immediately caused another pk right after and evaporated any momentum the flames got from their goal. i have been saying this for months now, but bartkowski does not belong in an nhl lineup. it's so painfully evident that bartkowski and engelland gets us stuck in our own zone running around and bleeding shots every shift. they were the ones on that famous line-change, and were on the ice for both the high stick goal and the tying goal last game. for bartkowski to be -5 this series (a total goal differential of -3 not counting the eng) in the minutes he gets is actually pretty incredible.

on the bright side, monahan had another strong game. he's more than ppg this playoffs. bennett had a good series. lazar looked really good with poor linemates.

Bartkowski only played about 10 minutes so I don't think he was being over-used. He was absolutely awful though. His numbers given his playing time and the quality of opposition are downright brutal. Like Elliott though, there's zero chance he's back next year, so there is a positive.

[Freeway]

The Flames played just poorly enough to lose four games. Barely. A much better team than they were two years ago.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by madmike

Bartkowski only played about 10 minutes so I don't think he was being over-used. He was absolutely awful though. His numbers given his playing time and the quality of opposition are downright brutal. Like Elliott though, there's zero chance he's back next year, so there is a positive.

Bartkowski is actually under contract next year, although it is a two-way, he has the same Gulutzan virtual immunity that kept Grossman on our roster for a quarter of this season.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I was responding to the poster who said other teams were being proven "right" to pass on him

that is idiotic

wait that was you? lol

guess you deserve it....like seriously think before you post

I never said they were right. I said if he doesn't adjust and learn to play better against the physical stuff that they would be proven right that he was to small.

No need to be a sarcastic dick.

Which I am right. The Ducks physical play shut him down. Hard to argue against that. Even a oiler fan mid way through the season in an ATL gaskal did pointed out this fact. He needs to now adjust and play better when people lay the body on him or he becomes useless.

[pylon]

They couldn't have done any worse if they tried. Literally.

They had the absolute worst possible playoff performance you mathematically could produce. That's something special. A team throwing a series, would probably try and at least sprinkle in one win for believability.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I never said they were right. I said if he doesn't adjust and learn to play better against the physical stuff that they would be proven right that he was to small.

Sorry, but that's idiotic.

In no way is it possible that 100+ picks were right to pass before drafting Gaudreau.

He's put up three sixty point seasons and is a repeat NHL all-star.

He's never going to be "useless".

That's outright ridiculous.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I did not bring up his draft selection out of nowhere. I was responding directly to this bizarre take from combustiblefuel:

I don't think it is bizarre at all. The teams didn't pass on him because of his talent. They passed on him because he was soft .

Thia was a prime example this series how a larger physical team can shut him down. Not the firt big team to do so either. The blues also managed to do this many times over the last few years. The freaking oilers thos year even figured ot out thia year to hit him hard and often.

Not that bizarre to figure this out as a fan.