Oopsies! Someone left the mic on

[calgaryred]

It was a stupid thing to say, with the comments leaked I'm sure he regrets saying it and knows it was stupid to say. If anything he should be more upset about Brodie's selfish penalty that's what got me mad.

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[SofaProfessor]

I've spent much of my career in broadcasting, both on air and behind the scenes. Hot mics have ended people's on air careers. Is it fair or right? No. But from day one in broadcast school you learn to treat any mic as if it's on and broadcasting.

I think that this is much less an issue of harassment and really just a professional conduct issue. Luckily in our line of work, negligence basically amounts to swearing on air. No one gets hurt. No one dies. But it's still a "serious" violation of one of the most basic rules of broadcasting. That said, I hope no one loses their job over this. The feed wasn't live on CBC or anything so I don't believe this would cause the CRTC to lay down any fines. Probably best for whoever was cursing in the background to privately apologize and be done with it. I thought Ball and Garrett were otherwise professional. They had some criticisms but nothing you wouldn't be able to broadcast on air - just maybe a little harsh/doom and gloom for two guys who are supposed to remain unbiased.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by polak

Does it get anymore SJW than taking the time to actually look up and reference Canada's harassment guidelines because someone called a hockey player dumb in an off the record conversation after said hockey player took a dumb penalty?

Again, follow the conversation. I was asked a question about it, and pointed it out. I also stated that this Mr Flames shouldn't be fired or publicly outed. How is this a SJW thing? This was what was said ---> this is what Canada considers workplace harassment --> SJW!!

Funny!

[Flash Walken]

I was doing a tile job once in University. Get into the job and realize how out of square the framing and drywall is.

I Remark to my boss that the guy framing the bathrooom must've been an idiot. I don't work with the guy who framed the bathroom, and my boss doesn't work him either. The guy who framed the bathroom isn't there either.

Am I really guilty of workplace harassment?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, is it really workplace harassment?

Such a dumb thread but this is where we are at I guess so let's bump it to the top until it's so over the top it gets locked.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Again, follow the conversation. I was asked a question about it, and pointed it out. I also stated that this Mr Flames shouldn't be fired or publicly outed. How is this a SJW thing? This was what was said ---> this is what Canada considers workplace harassment --> SJW!!

Funny!

Fair enough. I didn't follow your entire convo.

Anyone who is calling for heads to roll cause of this is going SJW though.

[Joborule]

"Workplace harassment." "Millions have access to stream." Good lord, this is making a mountain out of a molehill.

If we want to be talking about workplace harassment, then every player in the NHL should be fired for the trash talking that goes on. The Ducks may have said worst to Dougie in that game than what the tech guy/whomever said in the stream.

Again, he was just commenting as a fan as ALL of us do in a setting that wasn't suppose to be a public forum. He was speaking in frustration of his play/actions and I highly doubt he was genuinely was attacking the person himself and means what he said. This shouldn't affect anyone. Dougie will, or likely already has moved past this. It's not going to be the first, or the last time he'll hear something like this, and they will be said to his face. Again, I'm willing to bet he'll be called worse tonight on the ice.

Get those workplace incident forms ready.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

But it is harassment at the workplace, and it is by definition exactly that. Surely you can not be so naive as to think you can make any personal comment you like about a coworker with impunity, do you? Have you taken any workplace harassment courses? All employees were mandated to attend one course within their first month of employment at a past job.

Nice touch by adding the 'desperately' making my post seem foolish though. If you don't want to read someone's post because it is too long, don't read it. Simple. Don't comment on it either though. Why waste that time? I don't get it.

It's laughable because you're equating professional sports with working in an office. Have you ever played competitive sports? Calling someone stupid would be hilarious, not because it's funny but because its probably the tamest insult you're going to hear at ice-level.

And yeah, if you work in an accounting firm you don't do this, but it's a different environment. I also don't think its appropriate to body check people or any minor penalty in downtown Calgary, so should the players be filing grievances about those issues?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I was doing a tile job once in University. Get into the job and realize how out of square the framing and drywall is.

I Remark to my boss that the guy framing the bathrooom must've been an idiot. I don't work with the guy who framed the bathroom, and my boss doesn't work him either. The guy who framed the bathroom isn't there either.

Am I really guilty of workplace harassment?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, is it really workplace harassment?

Such a dumb thread but this is where we are at I guess so let's bump it to the top until it's so over the top it gets locked.

This really isn't a comparable situation.

The guy who originally framed the bathroom didn't hear you. And your comments weren't made available on a public forum.

But let's suppose you meant to send that comment to your boss in a private email. Instead you accidently sent that to everybody in the company. Now everyone, including the person who laid the frame, has seen your comments.

How can you reasonably expect that person to think? Of course he's going to say he's not going to let it bother him, but does he ever want to work with you? Does it impact your workplace relationship with him and other people?

The Flames absolutely heard these comments. They know who made them.

[TurdFerguson]

Thought I'd see what was carrying this thread forward from when I last checked last night...

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Then I guess nobody should ever lose their jobs. They have families to provide for.

I guess the folks in Calgary have no idea what that's like right now.

See now you took my comment to the extreme.

The man in question called Dougie Hamilton stupid using a little colourful language. If that's grounds to fire in your world, then I feel bad for you.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Slava

It's laughable because you're equating professional sports with working in an office. Have you ever played competitive sports? Calling someone stupid would be hilarious, not because it's funny but because its probably the tamest insult you're going to hear at ice-level.

And yeah, if you work in an accounting firm you don't do this, but it's a different environment. I also don't think its appropriate to body check people or any minor penalty in downtown Calgary, so should the players be filing grievances about those issues?

I have played organized sports - and I am known for being the dirtiest, most annoying trash-talker period. But that's irrelevant.

I would argue that a broadcast crew is (or should be) the same environment as an accounting firm, right? These are professionals, and one of them had a lapse in judgement that crossed a certain line.

Two guys on the ice saying things that would make anyone else blush? Fair game, and I find it funny myself (which is why I always do it when competing in anything really, even a stupid board game), but a broadcasting team? That's different.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

See now you took my comment to the extreme.

The man in question called Dougie Hamilton stupid using a little colourful language. If that's grounds to fire in your world, then I feel bad for you.

You're the one who brought the emotion of having a family to provide for into the conversation.

I believe in treating people you work with with respect. Otherwise you shouldn't expect them to treat you with respect, and that's a situation employers should really try to avoid.

[Hockeyguy15]

I think I'm a brainless idiot for opening this thread.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I have played organized sports - and I am known for being the dirtiest, most annoying trash-talker period. But that's irrelevant.

I would argue that a broadcast crew is (or should be) the same environment as an accounting firm, right? These are professionals, and one of them had a lapse in judgement that crossed a certain line.

Two guys on the ice saying things that would make anyone else blush? Fair game, and I find it funny myself (which is why I always do it when competing in anything really, even a stupid board game), but a broadcasting team? That's different.

No, they're not the same environment. One is where only clients and team members work together in a private office setting. The other is a public platform with it's work being displayed and heard to at least hundreds of thousands on a nightly bases. The only similarity here is that the game was over so the job had transition from a public medium to private, the cameras and mic should be off, and the words and actions that occurred shouldn't have been broadcasted to an audience.

But we have to assume this person is not part of the broadcasting team. We're not even suppose to know he exists since he's behind the scenes.

His comments shouldn't have any repercussions. The Flames players are not going to stop playing hockey. Sportsnet is not going to lose out on broadcasting Flames games. We'll likely never hear this guys voice again, or even know who he is. There's no need for a follow up on a one-off incident.

What he did was irresponsible since with his job, he should be aware the mics may be hot. But his comments in the end are harmless and is not going to leave anyone in grief.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You're the one who brought the emotion of having a family to provide for into the conversation.

I believe in treating people you work with with respect. Otherwise you shouldn't expect them to treat you with respect, and that's a situation employers should really try to avoid.

The guy in question doesn't work for the flames. It's not even close to the same thing.

If it were the flames PR guy, or trainer or somethings like that, I get your argument. Still a rempirmand would suffice.

But the guy in question cashes pay checks from a different employer than the Calgary Flames.

[polak]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

The guy in question doesn't work for the flames. It's not even close to the same thing.

If it were the flames PR guy, or trainer or somethings like that, I get your argument. Still a rempirmand would suffice.

But the guy in question cashes pay checks from a different employer than the Calgary Flames.

This.

And I can't even count how many times I've heard people call people from other companies idiots openly.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

The guy in question doesn't work for the flames. It's not even close to the same thing.

I realize that. He is still representing his employer (Sportsnet) and should be expected to act professional and treat others with respect whilst on the job site.

Employers do not want a hostile environment between them and their clients.

[V]

The Flames are not a client of Sportsnet. Nor are they a contractor as C4L is trying to equate. This whole thing is nonsense.

[sun]

Originally Posted by polak

This.

And I can't even count how many times I've heard people call people from other companies idiots openly.

Does it still hurt your feelings or have you gotten used to it?

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I realize that. He is still representing his employer (Sportsnet) and should be expected to act professional and treat others with respect whilst on the job site.

Employers do not want a hostile environment between them and their clients.

I'm not saying he didn't screw up or shouldn't catch heat for this, I just think termination is way over the line. People who don't are pretty heartless in my opinion.