"Snack Shaming"?! Is this a thing now?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So buddy posts a link which appears to be correct, to some point. Every measure will have a different result.

http://fairreporters.net/world/the-b...world-in-2015/



http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38131731

Germany is nowhere to be found.

I am by no means an education guru, but any time on Google will show that Canada score well on schooling.

Anecdotally, my recent experience is that the system (while not perfect) is good.

One thing to keep in mind is that countries like Germany have steamed systems. Kids who underperform are placed into non-academic streams. Therefore, the overall average performance among Germans might be low, but those in the focused programs may score higher.


BTW not advocating for what Germany does. Just pointing out facts.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

While i agree with you regarding the cultivation and grinding of grains, white bread as we know it today is a 20th century innovation. Historically, grains were ground but not removed. It's this highly refined process that gave us nice soft, white bread. It also gave us bread without the healthiest parts, with most of the fibre and vitamins removed. It also makes it much easier for our bodies to convert to sugar.

White and whole wheat bread have the same glycemic index. While wheat is only healthier if you are low in fibre.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by blankall

One thing to keep in mind is that countries like Germany have steamed systems. Kids who underperform are placed into non-academic streams. Therefore, the overall average performance among Germans might be low, but those in the focused programs may score higher.


BTW not advocating for what Germany does. Just pointing out facts.

I presume you meant streamed...so what do you think Math 10, 13, and 15 is?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So buddy posts a link which appears to be correct, to some point. Every measure will have a different result.

http://fairreporters.net/world/the-b...world-in-2015/
A 2015 study by the OECD ranked the Educational Systems by the results of kids aged 15 at Maths and Science. The ranking is very similar to the general ranking, with top tier Asian countries leading the list:

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38131731

Germany is nowhere to be found.

I am by no means an education guru, but any time on Google will show that Canada score well on schooling.

Anecdotally, my recent experience is that the system (while not perfect) is good.

Actually, even though Canada is 10th on this list, if you separate out B.C. and look at those results separately they're notably higher. In fact, B.C. is top in the world for reading and third for science. Presumably this is because B.C. attracts the best of those students from Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea and Japan...

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by blankall

White and whole wheat bread have the same glycemic index. While wheat is only healthier if you are low in fibre.

White vs Whole grain.
While processing out the grains, along with the fibre, you also remove key nutrients, including; vitamins (B6, E, magnesium, zinc...), minerals, healthy fats and protein. Fibre also changes the rate at which the starchy endosperm is absorbed and converted into sugar.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Actually, even though Canada is 10th on this list, if you separate out B.C. and look at those results separately they're notably higher. In fact, B.C. is top in the world for reading and third for science. Presumably this is because B.C. attracts the best of those students from Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea and Japan...

I seriously doubt there are enough 15 year olds from those countries in BC high schools to sway the results. And other provinces did well too. Alberta was ahead of BC in science and Quebec was ahead of BC in math. The fact is Canada has one of the better education systems in the world.

[polak]

Im surprised Canada is so high based on workload. Having seen the amount of homework kids are given on some countries, its ridiculous. Spend 4 hours a day doing homework, watch goodnight cartoon at around 7pm and the go to bed for school the next day. That was my cousins life when she was in school.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by polak

Im surprised Canada is so high based on workload. Having seen the amount of homework kids are given on some countries, its ridiculous. Spend 4 hours a day doing homework, watch goodnight cartoon at around 7pm and the go to bed for school the next day. That was my cousins life when she was in school.

Amount of homework and even number of classroom hours doesn't necessarily correlate to success. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and they average only about 3 hours of homework a week and 600 instructional hours a year.

[polak]

Totally agree. Just a bit surprised since school is super slack here. Didn't feel like they were doing anything special either.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by blankall

White and whole wheat bread have the same glycemic index. While wheat is only healthier if you are low in fibre.

This is why kids should have at least some education on food and healthy eating in school. Did you learn the above from your parents? Did you teach this to your own kids?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I seriously doubt there are enough 15 year olds from those countries in BC high schools to sway the results. And other provinces did well too. Alberta was ahead of BC in science and Quebec was ahead of BC in math. The fact is Canada has one of the better education systems in the world.

Well, it was a tongue-in-cheek remark.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by redforever

I presume you meant streamed...so what do you think Math 10, 13, and 15 is?

Courses of lesser difficulty, that are often populated by not only those not destined for secondary education but also more writing and arts inclined students.

Totally different than the system in Germany and many Nordic countries. There students are put into entirely separate trade orientated programs and lose the chance to attend university.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

White vs Whole grain.
While processing out the grains, along with the fibre, you also remove key nutrients, including; vitamins (B6, E, magnesium, zinc...), minerals, healthy fats and protein. Fibre also changes the rate at which the starchy endosperm is absorbed and converted into sugar.

There's very minimal amounts of this in bread. Once again only an issue if you're deficient in this in the first place. If so, you're much better off with foods that have those in foods actually high in those nutrients.

Look at the nutritional info on the back of bread you're talking about 1-2% of daily intake. Plus whole wheat typically has more calories, which is typically a bigger deal.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by blankall

There's very minimal amounts of this in bread. Once again only an issue if you're deficient in this in the first place. If so, you're much better off with foods that have those in foods actually high in those nutrients.

Look at the nutritional info on the back of bread you're talking about 1-2% of daily intake. Plus whole wheat typically has more calories, which is typically a bigger deal.

Exactly. As well, the glycemic index of an average slice of brown bread is insignificantly lower than white bread. Both have a higher GI than orange Fanta, and way higher than banana bread.

Brown bread often has more sugar in it. Compare that nutritional details for two breads below, one white, one brown. No clear winner here.

Spoiler!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Exactly. As well, the glycemic index of an average slice of brown bread is insignificantly lower than white bread. Both have a higher GI than orange Fanta, and way higher than banana bread.

Brown bread often has more sugar in it. Compare that nutritional details for two breads below, one white, one brown. No clear winner here.

Spoiler!

Yup. For people who are consuming too many calories, bread is inherently unhealthy. Classifying whole wheat bread as "healthy" is like saying your sundae is healthy because you sprinkled some almonds on top.

[FlamesAddiction]

I had a teacher in elementary school that used to make everyone pull the treats out of their lunch and then redistribute them so everyone had something.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I had a teacher in elementary school that used to make everyone pull the treats out of their lunch and then redistribute them so everyone had something.

These are obviously the people who voted for the NDP.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

These are obviously the people who voted for the NDP.

The school I went to was about half white and half native, so what it really ended being was white kids having to share with the native kids who never seemed to have treats in their lunch. I don't think it was a terrible lesson to learn. There were also fewer problems with lunch theft in that class, which was actually a big problem in some classes.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Exactly. As well, the glycemic index of an average slice of brown bread is insignificantly lower than white bread. Both have a higher GI than orange Fanta, and way higher than banana bread.

Brown bread often has more sugar in it. Compare that nutritional details for two breads below, one white, one brown. No clear winner here.

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by blankall

Yup. For people who are consuming too many calories, bread is inherently unhealthy. Classifying whole wheat bread as "healthy" is like saying your sundae is healthy because you sprinkled some almonds on top.

I've been very specific in my wording of whole grain, not whole wheat, not brown... Whole grain bread has a significantly lower glycemic index and offers other benefits white bread does not. That is and always has been my assertion. I disagree about all bread being bad; it's been a staple of our diet for thousands of years; it's only been the last 100 when we started removing all of the healthy nutrients vitamins and fiber from it that it became a problem. Civilizations have survived and thrived on bread.
I'm also not a big believer in counting calories, as long as you're eating healthy real foods, and staying away from heavily processed, modified foods, you'll be fine.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I've been very specific in my wording of whole grain, not whole wheat, not brown... Whole grain bread has a significantly lower glycemic index and offers other benefits white bread does not. That is and always has been my assertion. I disagree about all bread being bad; it's been a staple of our diet for thousands of years; it's only been the last 100 when we started removing all of the healthy nutrients vitamins and fiber from it that it became a problem. Civilizations have survived and thrived on bread.
I'm also not a big believer in counting calories, as long as you're eating healthy real foods, and staying away from heavily processed, modified foods, you'll be fine.

Whole grain bread can have a glycemic index as low as 50 vs about 70 for some white bread, but not always. However that type of bread is also denser and heavier. So you're still getting the same carbs, just fibre added in. Once again, unless you're deficient in fibre, while grain is not any healthier, and IMO must less pleasant to eat. But some people prefer that grittier texture and grainier taste.

I also don't see sifting out parts of the grain, as "processing". What does that even mean? Unless you are going into a field and eating raw wheat, you are always eating processed food when eating any kind of wheat product, including any kind of bread.