Edmonton Christian school: LGBQT's have mental illnesses

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Even masturbating is cause for eternity of hellfire. Gods watching you do that.

Not gonna lie, so totally worth it.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Not gonna lie, so totally worth it.

You will burn, BURN I tell you, gods watching.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

You will burn, BURN I tell you, gods watching.

I don't doubt he is, I am sexy as ####.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I don't doubt he is, I am sexy as ####.

That's the devil talking. Shame shame shame. Repent.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

That's the devil talking. Shame shame shame. Repent.

making me feel dirty only makes it better

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Of course we are disappointed/angry/annoyed...wouldn't you be if every time you stood up to voice your opinion someone told you to sit down, your opinion doesn't matter; all the while standing up and yelling at the rest of the world that their opinion is the only one that counts? Even worse, those same people are telling you to sit down and shut up because "their personal invisible God" has all of the answers? When we ask for proof of their God they hold out a little black book with a cross on the outside and say here....this has all the answers? LOL
For centuries atheists have been told to shut up and in many cases they have been assassinated by people who eschew an all knowing, all loving God.

So my answer to you is..we do not believe in "your God", you do not have an answer that makes logical sense as to the reality of your God and "no, your little black book is NOT the answer". So when your cult stops advertising, preying on the youth of today, and telling everyone who doesn't believe in their choice of a God that they will go to hell, we will also allow you to go on and be what you want to be. Unfortunately your God would die out if not for the indoctrination of youth...in effect doing our job for us.

Wow, only in the modern day West could Atheists claim to be victims of Theistic oppression. We truly are overrun with people drunk on social justice and Marxist dogma.

It's interesting, I asked you if you were an Atheist or just anti-Religion, you responded that you don't believe in "my God", then proceeded to rant on about Christianity. I think your view has very little to do with God's existence and more to do with your anti-Religion position, specifically anti-Christian. You don't know me or what I believe and I'm pretty sure I haven't forced any view on you. So how could you know the nature of what I actually believe pertaining to "my God"? I think asking for evidence or concrete proof of what someones belief is, is foolish, that's what makes them beliefs after all.

Pertaining to God's existence, who knows...... These are metaphysical questions and nobody can say one way or another with any degree of certainty. I personally choose to believe because I think it gives life more meaning and purpose, plus it's a nice thought to think there is something after we die.

You are also committing the dreaded "genetic fallacy", claiming that the only reason that people still believe in God or Religion is because they are indoctrinated as youth by priests and their parents. The argument could just as easily be made that when people are being forced something, they tend to rebel away from it. People are complex and both are true for different people.

The problem is some Atheists take their position to the extreme and make it an Ideology, essentially fighting against one belief system while adopting another. Seems counter productive and serves as proof that Ideologies are dangerous.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Pertaining to God's existence, who knows...... These are metaphysical questions and nobody can say one way or another with any degree of certainty.

The problem is some Atheists take their position to the extreme and make it an Ideology, essentially fighting against one belief system while adopting another. Seems counter productive and serves as proof that Ideologies are dangerous.

We're going to need some evidence on those claims if you want us Marxists to take you seriously.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We're going to need some evidence on those claims if you want us Marxists to take you seriously.

I still got nothing in regards to God's existence. I would say Cheese's post history would serve as pretty good evidence that they might have an Atheistic belief system. One can't be certain of anything though, really.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

I still got nothing in regards to God's existence. I would say Cheese's post history would serve as pretty good evidence that they might have an Atheistic belief system. One can't be certain of anything though, really.

Why do you believe nobody can say with certainty "There is no God"? Would you prefer they say, "There is no evidence that suggests the existence of God in any way or form"? because those statements are essentially the same.

I don't have any issue with religion as a whole, but it's odd to me that the complete and total lack of evidence of God is seen by theists as a positive thing that is somehow supposed to be a strike against atheists too, it's not. The idea of religion is that you believe in something there is no evidence of.

To prove something doesn't exist, you don't need evidence, you need a total lack of evidence it DOES exist. This applies to God. I can't say "I have a million dollars" and just tell people they can't touch it or see it, and I can't use it. Do you know what a million dollars that nobody can touch, see, or ever use is the same as? Zero dollars.

Anyway, still curious what you mean by "extreme" Atheism that becomes a dangerous ideology. Examples please.

[GGG]

The first is a statement of faith and the second is a statement of reason.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Not just gays, all non believers will burn in hell, it's been a xtian tenet since the first snake oil salesman introduced religion.

Even masturbating is cause for eternity of hellfire. Gods watching you do that.

It's quite funny to me that your attempts to paint all Christians as possibly having the most literalist, hateful interpretation of their religion makes you sound exactly like a Trump supporter talking about Muslims.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Wow, only in the modern day West could Atheists claim to be victims of Theistic oppression.

You truly say many, many things you think are clever but are so, so ridiculously unrepresentative of the person you are arguing with that it is impossible to take you seriously. Avowed atheists that experience social pressure to conform are not claiming to be "victims of Theistic oppression". Hyperbole much?

PS: The "genetic fallacy" has nothing to do with indoctrination of belief systems - you're using it wrong and obviously don't understand it. The genetic fallacy is, ironically, applicable to Textcritic's argument about the universality of religious experience though. "Every society has had religion, therefore society needs religion or something to replace it that is religion by another name."

PPS Also, you may be interested to know there are more nuances of politics than "agrees with Illuminaughty" and "Marxist". Although your habit of misrepresentation must be catching, as the first part of that sentence is probably wrong: I'm sure you're not at all interested to know.

[Minnie]

Spoiler!

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

It's quite funny to me that your attempts to paint all Christians as possibly having the most literalist, hateful interpretation of their religion makes you sound exactly like a Trump supporter talking about Muslims.

Un hunh, and I find it funny that your denial of reality and history makes you sound exactly like a Trump spokesperson. Sean Spicer comes to mind.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why do you believe nobody can say with certainty "There is no God"? Would you prefer they say, "There is no evidence that suggests the existence of God in any way or form"? because those statements are essentially the same.

I don't have any issue with religion as a whole, but it's odd to me that the complete and total lack of evidence of God is seen by theists as a positive thing that is somehow supposed to be a strike against atheists too, it's not. The idea of religion is that you believe in something there is no evidence of.

To prove something doesn't exist, you don't need evidence, you need a total lack of evidence it DOES exist. This applies to God. I can't say "I have a million dollars" and just tell people they can't touch it or see it, and I can't use it. Do you know what a million dollars that nobody can touch, see, or ever use is the same as? Zero dollars.

Anyway, still curious what you mean by "extreme" Atheism that becomes a dangerous ideology. Examples please.

Well there's a bunch to unpack there. I guess when it comes to evidence in relation to whether God exists, it becomes subjective. I could point you to things that lead me to believe that God exists, but that's what makes it a belief, there is no concrete evidence either way. If there was it would be a fact. I guess I could spout the usual apologetics answer of absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence. This whole debate usually descends into a form of philosophical grab ass at a certain point.

I think with regards to claiming certainty on most things of this nature, you have to be aware of how much knowledge of the universe and how it works that we don't possess. We don't even know, what we don't know. So saying God doesn't exist because there is no evidence with certainty, becomes problematic.

An example of an extreme atheistic view, would be advocating for government involvement to persecute a group of individuals based on a difference of opinion, when it comes to a certain belief.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Well there's a bunch to unpack there. I guess when it comes to evidence in relation to whether God exists, it becomes subjective. I could point you to things that lead me to believe that God exists, but that's what makes it a belief, there is no concrete evidence either way. If there was it would be a fact. I guess I could spout the usual apologetics answer of absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence. This whole debate usually descends into a form of philosophical grab ass at a certain point.

I love this argument, there is no evidence the Easter bunny doesn't exist, therefore, he may exist.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, the U.S. is a messed up place. I'd certainly never want to live there. But I try not to concern myself with the weird values and beliefs of people in foreign countries.

Say what? You rag on Islamic countries all the time.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Un hunh, and I find it funny that your denial of reality and history makes you sound exactly like a Trump spokesperson. Sean Spicer comes to mind.

You're a pretty frustrating person to try and have a discussion with. So I'm gonna stop trying.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by jammies

You truly say many, many things you think are clever but are so, so ridiculously unrepresentative of the person you are arguing with that it is impossible to take you seriously. Avowed atheists that experience social pressure to conform are not claiming to be "victims of Theistic oppression". Hyperbole much?

PS: The "genetic fallacy" has nothing to do with indoctrination of belief systems - you're using it wrong and obviously don't understand it. The genetic fallacy is, ironically, applicable to Textcritic's argument about the universality of religious experience though. "Every society has had religion, therefore society needs religion or something to replace it that is religion by another name."

PPS Also, you may be interested to know there are more nuances of politics than "agrees with Illuminaughty" and "Marxist". Although your habit of misrepresentation must be catching, as the first part of that sentence is probably wrong: I'm sure you're not at all interested to know.

Was it hyperbolic? Absolutely, but they were the one who was alluding to atheists being these oppressed victims. Man with all the hyperbole that gets tossed around the forum about Trump, that was the one you call foul on.

Maybe I didn't understand what Cheese was stating, I think the genetic fallacy still applies to a degree.

I agree politics is nuanced, people don't have to agree, that's the beauty of living in a free society. I'm not the only one that misrepresents things on this forum, yet I'm the only one I've ever seen you call out for it. I think you might be a bit guilty of the same thing you just called me out on.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I love this argument, there is no evidence the Easter bunny doesn't exist, therefore, he may exist.

Are you questioning the omnipotence of the Easter Bunny?