03-28-2017, 07:52 PM
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#81
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Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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This is great news. Engelland is a great guy to have in the room but more importantly on the ice. Such an underrated part of this team.
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03-28-2017, 07:53 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Singapore
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God I love that Engelland photo. That has got to be one of the best Flames pics ever.
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03-28-2017, 07:55 PM
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#83
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First Line Centre
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If we could sign him and Stone to reasonable contracts I would love to keep them. There is a limit however, he's 35 and a bottom pairing guy. I want him back but for less than what he makes now and on, at most, a 2 year deal.
Gio-Hamilton
Brodie-Stone
Kulak-Engelland
Kylington-Andersson
Bartkowski has been a warrior but Treliving even admitted he was primarily brought in for the expansion draft. I don't mind him out there as a number 6 but honestly I'd rather develop a young guy in the 6 spot.
Hickey, Healey and Ollas Mattsson could make a push to get some games in also.
I don't think Culkin, Morisson or Wotherspoon will be retained (maybe Wotherspoon but I'm not sure we should) and Bartkowski is replacement level.
We need to sign two vets to round out our top 7 defenders and Stone and Engelland are my top choices when taking everything into consideration.
Like Treliving said let some young guys compliment the top 5 group.
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03-28-2017, 08:51 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Yeah, he's had an off year but he's bounced back in Calgary to re-establish himself in a top four role. 27 years old, UFA, top four blueliners.. he's not going to take a pay cut.
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I dunno, there is a big difference between getting a 1 year deal at arbitration's door and getting a multi year deal.
My bet is he's re-signed for 3 or 4 years @ about a $3.5 million cap hit.
Especially if he wants to be in Calgary for family reasons, and even more especially with Treliving sitting at the other end of the negotiating table.
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03-28-2017, 08:59 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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2 years at 2M per?
Engellend is solid but not sure I would want him for what the price would be. I see him as more of a 7 going forward.
I want the Flames to secure a number 4 (Stone, Alzner, trade) then look at getting a player or two from Stockton on the big club next year (Kulak and or Andersen). There is room for Engellend but he has to take a paycut. I could see him going to Vegas as he would be a valuable vet and lives there already
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03-28-2017, 10:00 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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He was a good signing. A little on the expensive side, but he has been good for us, so no complaints. I hope they bring him back, but for a lower cost per season.
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03-28-2017, 10:03 PM
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#87
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I dunno, there is a big difference between getting a 1 year deal at arbitration's door and getting a multi year deal.
My bet is he's re-signed for 3 or 4 years @ about a $3.5 million cap hit.
Especially if he wants to be in Calgary for family reasons, and even more especially with Treliving sitting at the other end of the negotiating table.
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Please no!
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03-28-2017, 10:05 PM
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#88
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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I love what Engelland brings, but unless he's under $1.75, we can't do it.
I'm sure it's already been said a few times, but paying too much for 4th liners and 3rd pairing guys is how you get into trouble.
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03-28-2017, 10:19 PM
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#89
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Section 120
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There are not many Engelland's around the NHL. How many bottom pairing guys can play top 4 minutes, be a force in front of the net, contribute lots of PK time, and fight any heavy weight in the league? Not many. Because he's such a good fighter he has a bit of a "goon, bottom pairing stigma." However, he's actually a pretty good skater with decent hands too. Remember that breakaway goal he scored this season? He's 6'2 214 lbs but can fight anyone. This shows his strength and stamina. A guy who's made it all the way from the ECHL has tons of determination. Even though he's 35 years old next week, I think he has some good years left.. I think he's earned a 3 x $3M contract and I would be happy if the Flames gave him that. He deserves that money way more than Brouwer does. I hope Vegas ends up with Brouwer so the Flames can sign Engelland.
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03-28-2017, 10:20 PM
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#90
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Yoho
Please no!
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For Stone?
That'd be a sweetheart deal.
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03-28-2017, 10:22 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
Please no!
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$3.5 m is less money than Stone is making on his current deal, and it is an excellent price for a 27-year-old second pairing defenseman. If he signs that contract in Calgary then the city should erect a statue in Brad Treliving's honour.
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03-28-2017, 10:23 PM
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#92
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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If he's taking 2 years at $1.5M per I'm all in. He really should have been signed at $2-$2.5M in 2014, but we needed to hit the floor remember.
That being said... I'm not going to hit the roof at $2M either. I'd still happily take him back. He's a very solid guy who we're going to love in the post-season.
I know Stone is the priority, but I don't see this being one or the other. I'd bet Stone takes a 1-year at the same salary, and Engelland is taking less.
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03-28-2017, 10:24 PM
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#93
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Can we afford to bring back both Engelland and Stone?
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03-28-2017, 10:25 PM
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#94
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
$3.5 m is less money than Stone is making on his current deal, and it is an excellent price for a 27-year-old second pairing defenseman. If he signs that contract in Calgary then the city should erect a statue in Brad Treliving's honour.
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Oop, nvm. Confused with the cap on a traded player.
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03-28-2017, 10:27 PM
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#95
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All I can get
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Stone will get market price and be worth every penny.
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03-28-2017, 10:28 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Split98
I'm seeing Stone at $2,000,000 this year
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The Coyotes are retaining $2.0 m of his one-year $4.0 m deal.
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03-28-2017, 10:29 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Sorry I read that money for Deryk...
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03-28-2017, 10:32 PM
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#98
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dion
Can we afford to bring back both Engelland and Stone?
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Depends on what happens in goal, but we are gaining $5,250,000 in Wideman. I'm at a total loss on what it'd take to retain Elliott, but I can't imagine he's going north of $7M (could he?!). So technically, we have $7,750,000 minus Elliotts new contract to play with there.
Between those two, I can't see Stone getting more than $4M he has now or Engelland getting a pay-raise. If anything, we're saving money on Engelland.
Besides Elliott, there's only Ferland to worry about really. Bennett isn't due for a huge raise, and neither is Lazar or Chiasson (if even returning).
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03-28-2017, 10:32 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
The Coyotes are retaining $2.0 m of his one-year $4.0 m deal.
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That sunk in for me seconds too late...
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03-28-2017, 10:34 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
Sorry I read that money for Deryk...
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My bad. I should have been more clear in a thread about re-signing Engelland
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