American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

What does my personal experience with Obamacare have to do with anything? Pssst Vancouver Island is not part of the States. I could tell you about my personal experience with our system is, but that's anecdotal and likely has little relevance.

How was it better? Name three good things about Obamacare.

Why are you living in Socialist Canada, why not move to Somalia or the likes where there is little to no government?

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by _Q_

What I've learned from living in America is that Americans generally don't have opinions. They just go along with what their party of choice tells them is the opinion of the day. Obviously Obamacare is a disaster for half of Americans, not because of any particular reason, but because Republicans branded it as such from the get go.

This is not just a Republican issue, Democrats are equally as guilty of this as well.

The special interests that influence the Dems are nowhere near as destructive to the American people, or the world. There are absolute differences between how the two parties operate, and they are not equals.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

As the dossier becomes more and more believable, we're closing in on the piss tape

Why do I get the feeling the "piss tape" is more than just a piss tape?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Fair point by Illuminaughty

...if anything is needed to turn the state around it is the ability to listen to the other side and not be bigoted. The left and right are both becoming more prone to tune out anything that they feel doesn't line up with their preconceived notions. (And social media and internet news is making it even worse by allowing information flows that support the right/left feedback loop)

You aren't going to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

There has always been a contingent of the population that is not interested in engaging in thoughtful discussion and debate.

There are posters in this thread who embody this, who routinely fail to even read contradictory information let alone respond to it.

It would be nice if the moderation team would use a bit of common sense when looking at a posters post history to determine if they are an honest broker or not, but they seem to favour looser moderation over more constructive discussion, so it's up to the individual posters to show some reason of their own and stop screaming into the wind.

[FlameOn]

Stronger calls today from the Democrats to start the impeachment process, some of them have seen enough

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) is doubling down on her calls for impeaching President Trump, tweeting Tuesday that it's time to "get ready for impeachment."

Waters has been pushing for Congress to quickly impeach Trump if evidence is produced proving collusion with the Russian government during the presidential race.

“The only thing that I am focused on is credible investigations to bring out the facts. … If the facts are there, then I think we should move very quickly to do something about it. And if there was collusion, and any support for undermining our democracy, I think the president should be impeached,” Waters said earlier this month.
“I’ve said that, and that’s where I stand.”

U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russian hackers interfered in last year’s elections for the express purpose of helping Trump win, and both the Senate and House Intelligence committees are investigating the nature and extent of the intrusion.

Numerous reports have emerged linking members of Trump’s inner circle directly to Kremlin officials. The White House has fervently maintained that those communications were innocuous, and no evidence has surfaced of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...or-impeachment

[Fuzz]

It might almost be better for the country if Trump isn't impeached and had a chance to do his thing. If he doesn't, his supporters will moan eternally about how the establishment took down the one person who was going to change it all. However, if Trump sticks around, his supporters will get screwed by him at some point, and might finally realize it was kind of a bad idea. That would be the logical path, anyway. And we know how far logic goes in the US these days...

[Drak]

The problem with impeachment is it's a long drawn out process that doesn't necessarily lead to Trump leaving the WH. Hopefully he steps down. Manafort is in serious trouble, and other pieces will topple. People are going to jail.

[Texas Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Stronger calls today from the Democrats to start the impeachment process, some of them have seen enough



http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...or-impeachment

The straw grasping is great. 8 years of impeachment cries should win the democrats votes moving forward right? Remember the same people that are crying now are the same people that said Trump had zero chance of winning. Once we see some Trump policy taking effect, with added jobs in energy and manufacturing the rust belt will be even stronger Republican than in 2016. Sad state of affairs for the Dems right now...

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

The straw grasping is great. 8 years of impeachment cries should win the democrats votes moving forward right? Remember the same people that are crying now are the same people that said Trump had zero chance of winning. Once we see some Trump policy taking effect, with added jobs in energy and manufacturing the rust belt will be even stronger Republican than in 2016. Sad state of affairs for the Dems right now...

I don't think you realize what is happening. Sad.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It might almost be better for the country if Trump isn't impeached and had a chance to do his thing. If he doesn't, his supporters will moan eternally about how the establishment took down the one person who was going to change it all. However, if Trump sticks around, his supporters will get screwed by him at some point, and might finally realize it was kind of a bad idea. That would be the logical path, anyway. And we know how far logic goes in the US these days...

No.

I honestly don't think people are alarmed enough about Trump. I was one of them before the election, believing that the entrenched power brokers in Washington would manage to put a leash on his administration.

What has become desperately clear is that the US democractic institutions are even more broken than previously thought. Some of the damage being done right now may take decades to rectify if it can be saved at all.

The notion that there is a separate reality for conservatives needs to end quickly.

[Texas Flames Fan]

Unbelievable video. Facts, facts, facts. No emotion. Please watch if you are interested in the facts on illegal immigration and how it affects Texas.

642,000 crimes by illegal immigrants against Texans in 6 years!!!! The average costs of illegal immigration costs Texan tax payers over 11.3 Billion a year!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKRF1y0EdlM

[Looch City]

Oh sweet, so the wall will pay for itself in 2 years.

That's not so bad, let's build it 10ft higher!

[ResAlien]

Yeah. Anyways.

Everything being reported is that the Trumpcare fiasco is dead in the water. My faith in the spineless Republicans in office isn't strong enough to believe they'll actually stand up to Don. I really kind of hope it does though to see his meltdown about it.

[dsavillian]

Did I fall in a time machine and end up in 2016?

[PostandIn]

See, there is voter fraud:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...th-voter-fraud

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It might almost be better for the country if Trump isn't impeached and had a chance to do his thing. If he doesn't, his supporters will moan eternally about how the establishment took down the one person who was going to change it all. However, if Trump sticks around, his supporters will get screwed by him at some point, and might finally realize it was kind of a bad idea. That would be the logical path, anyway.

The counter-argument is that if he's impeached, there's almost zero chance that Pence gets the country into a nuclear war by accident. So that's a plus.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

The straw grasping is great. 8 years of impeachment cries should win the democrats votes moving forward right? Remember the same people that are crying now are the same people that said Trump had zero chance of winning. Once we see some Trump policy taking effect, with added jobs in energy and manufacturing the rust belt will be even stronger Republican than in 2016. Sad state of affairs for the Dems right now...

You're telling us how Trump is going to catch that 100 yard Hail Mary pass in a lightning storm while telling the other team that they're #### out of luck and it spells trouble for them.

Good luck to you sir!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It might almost be better for the country if Trump isn't impeached and had a chance to do his thing. If he doesn't, his supporters will moan eternally about how the establishment took down the one person who was going to change it all. However, if Trump sticks around, his supporters will get screwed by him at some point, and might finally realize it was kind of a bad idea. That would be the logical path, anyway. And we know how far logic goes in the US these days...

It doesn't work that way with the far right, just look at the trolls in this own thread. Trump could shoot someone on live TV and they would blame Obama for pulling the trigger. There is literally nothing Trump can do to lose the support of his fanbase, so the best course of action is to remove him as soon as possible

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

It doesn't work that way with the far right, just look at the trolls in this own thread. Trump could shoot someone on live TV and they would blame Obama for pulling the trigger. There is literally nothing Trump can do to lose the support of his fanbase, so the best course of action is to remove him as soon as possible

I guess I'd just like to see the idiots suffer a bit for their choices. If Trump doesn't get to enact his polices, his voters won't get to reap what they sow.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

Unbelievable video. Facts, facts, facts. No emotion. Please watch if you are interested in the facts on illegal immigration and how it affects Texas.

642,000 crimes by illegal immigrants against Texans in 6 years!!!! The average costs of illegal immigration costs Texan tax payers over 11.3 Billion a year!

How many crimes by non immigrants in the last 6 years?