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[btimbit]

Wearing my Brouwer jersey to the game tonight, hopefully it gives him a spark and he starts playing like he was this time last year

Well, that sure didn't work for me. What a floater out there. Brutal

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

Here we go!

That part that kills me, just slays me every time, is how he walks into frame all chill, does the DougieBomb™ and then, hehehe bolts outta there all ninja speed. The exit just ruins me.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

That part that kills me, just slays me every time, is how he walks into frame all chill, does the DougieBomb™ and then, hehehe bolts outta there all ninja speed. The exit just ruins me.

Looks like he ducked out as soon as he felt a smile start to crack, not wanting to ruin the 'seriousness' of the bomb.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

While I'd much rather win in OT then lose as well, I find 3 on 3 every bit as much of a gimmick as the shoot out. And, playoff games sent decided in that fairnat eitger.

As a result I also feel teams that have a higher % of their points in regulation more impressive and more indicative of potential playoff success. I also think the NHL should change the tie braker fro ROW to RW.

Does anyone look at the Flames as they are presently constructed, and how they are playing and think that they are a poor bet to win in the playoffs?

This is such a tired, meaningless perspective.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Friggin' loser points:

Flames: 40 wins, 31 losses.
Ducks: 37 wins, 33 losses.
Oilers: 37 wins, 33 losses.
Blues: 37 wins, 33 losses
Predators: 35 wins, 35 losses.

You do know that if the teams listed above didn't have a SOL or an OTL, they'd have a win, right? You're complaining about the other team getting one point in these games, but the only other outcome once the game goes past regulation is that they get 2 points. Isn't it better that they only got one point instead of two points?

The shoot out has been around for 12 years. In those 12 years you get one point from finishing regulation tied, then both teams have the opportunity to go after a bonus point. You don't get a point for losing in OT or the SO; you get the point for ending regulation tied. Whether you win or lose in OT or the SO has absolutely no bearing on the point you've already earned.

Both Anaheim and Calgary have finished regulation tied 16 times. They both got 16 points for this. Calgary went and got the bonus point 12 times, and Anaheim only got it 5 times. Edmonton ended regulation tied 18 times. They earned the extra point 9 times. I'm pretty happy that Calgary went out and got the extra point in 75% of the games, while Anaheim only achieved this in 31% of their games.

Currently the points are:
Anaheim 85
Calgary 84
Edmonton 83

If the NHL used the 3-2-1-0 system, the points would be:
Anaheim 117
Calgary 112
Edmonton 110

They'd be in almost the same spot, with Anaheim having a bigger cushion on 2nd in the division. A shootout loss is not the same as a regulation loss. It's not treated the same in the standings, and a shootout win is not treated the same as a regulation win in the ROW column. The sooner you comprehend that, and stop complaining about loser points, the easier it will be. There's no use blaming a team for getting points by the current rules. If anything, Calgary is taking advantage of the situation.

[GranteedEV]

Not sure if it's just me, but I have been noticing Lance Bouma has been playing very well for a while; pretty much since Chiasson was ""demoted"" to the Stajan line and maybe even before then. He's been forechecking as effectively as he ever has and his defensive game has done a 180 from the days of sagging back and playing Lundqvist in the high slot. He's skating strongly and receiving pucks in stride in transition and he's been cycling as well as I have ever seen him cycle. The counting stats are not there but he has been effective in his checking role. I thought the Bouma-Bennett-Chiasson line looked strong last night in all three zones, although they did get caught with 3rd defense pair babysitting duties a couple times.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Does anyone look at the Flames as they are presently constructed, and how they are playing and think that they are a poor bet to win in the playoffs?

This is such a tired, meaningless perspective.

No, I actually like the way the Flames are constructed for the playoffs.

Doesn't change the fact that overall, I think regulation wins in the current NHL format are more impressive than OT wins and in general are a better indicator of a teams ability to be successful.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not sure if it's just me, but I have been noticing Lance Bouma has been playing very well for a while; pretty much since Chiasson was ""demoted"" to the Stajan line and maybe even before then. He's been forechecking as effectively as he ever has and his defensive game has done a 180 from the days of sagging back and playing Lundqvist in the high slot. He's skating strongly and receiving pucks in stride in transition and he's been cycling as well as I have ever seen him cycle. The counting stats are not there but he has been effective in his checking role. I thought the Bouma-Bennett-Chiasson line looked strong last night in all three zones, although they did get caught with 3rd defense pair babysitting duties a couple times.

Yeah, Bouma has been really good for a while now.

And Chiasson has been a beast since he's been on the 4th line.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Does anyone look at the Flames as they are presently constructed, and how they are playing and think that they are a poor bet to win in the playoffs?

This is such a tired, meaningless perspective.

No, I actually like the way the Flames are constructed for the playoffs.

Doesn't change the fact that overall, I think regulation wins in the current NHL format are more impressive than OT wins and in general are a better indicator of a teams ability to be successful.

[JohnnyT]

Sorry if its posted already but here's the stats for the 3M line and the top pairing last night:

Backlund 0G 1A 1P +3 3 SOG 17:42 TOI
Tkachuk 1G 1A 2P +3 2 SOG 15:52 TOI
Frolik 1G 0A 1P +3 3 SOG 18:03 TOI
Giordano 1G 2A 3P +3 2 SOG 21:13 TOI
Hamilton 0G 1A 1P +3 1 SOG 18:11 TOI
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Total 3G 5A 8P +15 11 SOG 18:12 Average TOI

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

No, I actually like the way the Flames are constructed for the playoffs.

Doesn't change the fact that overall, I think regulation wins in the current NHL format are more impressive than OT wins and in general are a better indicator of a teams ability to be successful.

Would it look better if the flames just lost/threw those deadlocked games? They're showing an ability and confidence to close out games before they reach shootout. A number of teams ive seen this season would hold out for the last half of third periods for the loser point then show little to no ability to close game out with the open ice, only to bank on a couple skilled players helping them score the shootout win. That looks worse to me than what the flames have been doing tbqh, gimmick or not. It's still winning with hockey plays rather than a breakaway competition.

Pretty sure the flames are in the positive now for regulation wins/losses,,so I don't understand the nit picking and constant gymnastics by fans and non-fans to discredit what they've done/are doing.

[colbym72]

I just wish there were no points and it was just wins/losses

[Gaudfather]

That is the brilliance of Treliving. Just having Lazar waiting in the wings, not only provides some depth insurance, but is also forcing players like Chiasson and Bouma to elevate their game. They can see the writing on the wall.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Looks like he ducked out as soon as he felt a smile start to crack, not wanting to ruin the 'seriousness' of the bomb.

But it's every time. If it was just this time, ok it wouldn't kill me, but it'd still be hilarious. But man it's like part of the whole package. Saunter in, make a face, ninja out.

Flawless formula, really

[Galakanokis]

Our 4th has been really good for awhile now and I wouldn't break them up, that being Bouma-Stajan-Chiasson. They get pucks deep, forecheck effectively and generate score chances and even potting a few. Bouma has been very good this past little while. Skating with confidence makes a world of difference.

I would love to Lazar draw in but the only ones I can think to come out are Brouwer and Versteeg and that's not happening. Would love to see Bennett and Lazar together, I see chemistry forming there. Oh well, good problem to have I guess.

[edslunch]

After last night I have no concerns about the Flames not making the playoffs. Not that beating Dallas is much of an accomplishment, but they got right back on their game after a poor showing against Boston. Such consistency. And 3M + 2 totally dominated again.

[Gaskal]

Brouwer needs to sit a game at some point if his on-ice performance keeps tanking. With Gio performing the way he is lately, along with Backs and 3M, it's not like more leadership in the room is needed right now.

With this crucial stretch of games coming up we can't really afford to play someone and hope they break their funk - maybe a healthy scratch will do him a world of good.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

You do know that if the teams listed above didn't have a SOL or an OTL, they'd have a win, right? You're complaining about the other team getting one point in these games, but the only other outcome once the game goes past regulation is that they get 2 points. Isn't it better that they only got one point instead of two points?

The shoot out has been around for 12 years. In those 12 years you get one point from finishing regulation tied, then both teams have the opportunity to go after a bonus point. You don't get a point for losing in OT or the SO; you get the point for ending regulation tied. Whether you win or lose in OT or the SO has absolutely no bearing on the point you've already earned.

Both Anaheim and Calgary have finished regulation tied 16 times. They both got 16 points for this. Calgary went and got the bonus point 12 times, and Anaheim only got it 5 times. Edmonton ended regulation tied 18 times. They earned the extra point 9 times. I'm pretty happy that Calgary went out and got the extra point in 75% of the games, while Anaheim only achieved this in 31% of their games.

Currently the points are:
Anaheim 85
Calgary 84
Edmonton 83

If the NHL used the 3-2-1-0 system, the points would be:
Anaheim 117
Calgary 112
Edmonton 110

They'd be in almost the same spot, with Anaheim having a bigger cushion on 2nd in the division. A shootout loss is not the same as a regulation loss. It's not treated the same in the standings, and a shootout win is not treated the same as a regulation win in the ROW column. The sooner you comprehend that, and stop complaining about loser points, the easier it will be. There's no use blaming a team for getting points by the current rules. If anything, Calgary is taking advantage of the situation.

Agreed. I find it a bit ironic that Flames fans complain about the OT points when it can be argued that nobody has benefited more from the extra OT point than the Flames, just because they're so good at 3-on-3, which in itself is just as gimmicky as the shootout.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Agreed. I find it a bit ironic that Flames fans complain about the OT points when it can be argued that nobody has benefited more from the extra OT point than the Flames, just because they're so good at 3-on-3, which in itself is just as gimmicky as the shootout.

There is nothing as gimmicky than the shootout. Nothing.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Brouwer needs to sit a game at some point if his on-ice performance keeps tanking. With Gio performing the way he is lately, along with Backs and 3M, it's not like more leadership in the room is needed right now.

With this crucial stretch of games coming up we can't really afford to play someone and hope they break their funk - maybe a healthy scratch will do him a world of good.

He's playing well, not sure what your qualm with him is. He's not getting points, but he's making many smart little plays along the boards and in front of the net. He's reliable defensively and the team has been one of the best in the league for almost 3/4 of the season, all with him in the lineup.

I get it, he makes too much money to not be contributing on the scoresheet. Sure he's had a few bad games, but who hasn't? But honestly, if things keep going the way they have, does that really matter? If they keep on winning, he could make 10M a season and score 0 points for all I care. I like what he's brought to this team this season. They've scored a number of goals as a direct result of his willingness to go to the front of the net and cause problems for opposing netminders and seems like a great fit in the locker room, from what I've seen. Guys like that are important, especially at this time of year.