American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

CBO score out: 14 million lose coverage immediately, 24 million fewer people covered by 2026.

those numbers aren't high enough for the hard core conservatives, they probably won't go along with it.

[Swift]

CBO was real then. It's fake now.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

CBO was real then. It's fake now.

Unemployment numbers were fake then. It's real now.

[HotHotHeat]

I wish Trump was just the president of a local highschool or something, then this whole thing would be hilarious.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

I wish Trump was just the president of a local highschool or something, then this whole thing would be hilarious.

HBO made a series on this already called "Vice Principles". I'd expect similar results to the Trump presidency if either of those goof balls became president lol

[Senator Clay Davis]

This plan really is the GOP wet dream though: More uninsured people than before Obamacare



http://www.wsj.com/graphics/compare-...op-healthcare/

[nik-]

Wall Street Journal. Liberal rag.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Full credit to Paul Ryan though, not even trying to hide what a soulless vampire he is

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 31m31 minutes ago
@SpeakerRyan: “If you read this entire report, I’m pretty encouraged by it and it actually exceeded my expectations.” #SpecialReport #AHCA

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/841412193807613952

[Regorium]

At least I can defend and agree with what Ryan is saying.

He's completely correct in that his bill does exactly what it's supposed to do. Reduce the deficit, remove the mandate, and give "choice" to the people. Basically, less services for less tax - a completely legitimate position, albeit one that will likely kill and bankrupt people.

At least he accepts the results of the report like an adult rather than going full on "fake news" on it. Ryan's words has been the only truth coming out of the GOP in the last 2 months.

[HotHotHeat]

The part Ryan doesn't like talking about is his plan gives back $600B in taxes for the top 10% that was part of the AHCA.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Gotta pay for those Mar-a-Lago weekends and Melania's escape from Donald somehow.

State Department staffers have been instructed to seek cuts in excess of 50 percent in U.S. funding for U.N. programs, signaling an unprecedented retreat by President Donald Trump’s administration from international operations that keep the peace, provide vaccines for children, monitor rogue nuclear weapons programs, and promote peace talks from Syria to Yemen, according to three sources.

The push for such draconian measures comes as the White House is scheduled on Thursday to release its 2018 budget proposal, which is expected to include cuts of up to 37 percent for spending on the State Department, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign assistance programs, including the U.N., in next year’s budget. The United States spends about $10 billion a year on the United Nations.

It remains unclear whether the full extent of the steeper U.N. cuts will be reflected in the 2018 budget, which will be prepared by the White House Office of Management and Budget, or whether, as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has proposed, the cuts would be phased in over the coming three years. One official close to the Trump administration said Tillerson has been given flexibility to decide how the cuts would be distributed.

The cuts would fall heaviest on U.N. programs, like peacekeeping, UNICEF, and the U.N. Development Programme, that are funded out of the budget of the State Department’s Bureau of International Organization Affairs. It remains to be seen whether other U.N. agencies popular with Congress, like the World Food Programme and U.N. refugee operations — which are funded out of separate accounts in the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the State Department, respectively — will get hit as hard. But one source tracking the budget proposal said the Trump administration is considering cuts of up to 36 percent on humanitarian aid programs.

Richard Gowan, a U.N. expert at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said cuts of this magnitude would create “chaos.”

The U.N. refugee agency (UNHCR) received $1.5 billion of its $4 billion budget from the United States last year, he said. Cutting the U.S. contribution would “leave a gaping hole that other big donors would struggle to fill.”

“Multiply that across other humanitarian agencies, like the World Food Programme, and you are basically talking about the breakdown of the international humanitarian system as we know it,” he added.

The budget proposal reinforces a shift by the Trump administration from U.S. support for diplomacy and foreign assistance to increased financial support for the U.S. military. Late last month, the Trump administration argued that the proposed cuts in the budgets for the State Department, USAID, and other foreign assistance programs, including contributions to the U.N., would help offset a projected $54 billion increase in defense spending.

Those cuts, it now appears, are likely to fall disproportionately on the United Nations, which has less of a constituency in Washington than does the State Department.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/13/...nited-nations/

[GordonBlue]

^^^^
what kills me is much of America will support the removal of funding from the UN, state department, etc.

"keep that money in the US to help our own people"

juts disgusting, this administration. but they need the money for bombs, I guess. why give money to a refugee that they're just going to kill anyway.

[puffnstuff]

Time to fill out your bracket folks

http://www.cc.com/shows/the-daily-sh...rd-month-mania

[Senator Clay Davis]

So when the White House claims today that the CBO is fake news and alternative facts, for once they are going to be right. The CBO's numbers are not true...they actually are underselling just how bad Trumpcare is going to be.



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...e-house-236019

[photon]

The part of the Trumpcare bill that Democrats should be shouting from the rooftops is the premiums increase for older people on limited incomes, you know the ones Trump assured that they'd have better and cheaper health care to get their votes.

Not so much... Like a 750% increase in premiums. HALF of their income going to healthcare. Old people vote, this message should be targeted at old people like a cataract laser.

[ernie]

GOP has a problem. They are trying to repeal based on 6 years ago people being angry they were forced to buy insurance rather than the hear and now where a very large chunk of those people who felt forced to buy insurance now like actually having health insurance. leaving tens of millions uninsured again isn't going to work or be at all popular.

At some point you'd think this country would get it through it's head that single payer is the way to go.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If the GOP passes this horror show and they get destroyed in the midterms, it will basically sum up the American voter. In 2010 expanding health care access was the primary reason the Dems get slaughtered in the midterms. In 2018 contracting health care access will be the primary reason the GOP gets slaughtered in the midterms. Americans just cannot figure out what they want, and likely won't settle on something until it's far too late to matter.

[photon]

[FlameOn]

State media wing Breitbart "leaks" audio of Paul Ryan saying he will not be supporting Trump. From the taped recording:

“His comments are not anywhere in keeping with our party’s principles and values,” Ryan said. “There are basically two things that I want to make really clear, as for myself as your Speaker. I am not going to defend Donald Trump—not now, not in the future. As you probably heard, I disinvited him from my first congressional district GOP event this weekend—a thing I do every year. And I’m not going to be campaigning with him over the next 30 days.”

“Look, you guys know I have real concerns with our nominee,” Ryan continued. “I hope you appreciate that I’m doing what I think is best for you, the members, not what’s best for me. So, I want to do what’s best for our members, and I think this is the right thing to do. I’m going to focus my time on campaigning for House Republicans. I talked to a bunch of you over the last 72 hours and here is basically my takeaway. To everyone on this call, this is going to be a turbulent month. Many of you on this call are facing tough reelections. Some of you are not. But with respect to Donald Trump, I would encourage you to do what you think is best and do what you feel you need to do. Personally, you need to decide what’s best for you. And you all know what’s best for you where you are.”

Seems like an attempt to stir up Trump's base against Paul Ryan.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2...art-newday.cnn

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

State media wing Breitbart "leaks" audio of Paul Ryan saying he will not be supporting Trump. From the taped recording:



Seems like an attempt to stir up Trump's base against Paul Ryan.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2...art-newday.cnn

In my opinion this is actually an attempt to neuter some of the wealthy elites who have purchased the GOP.

In the way the Tea Party was turned into a verb to describe establishment politicians, GOP politicians, losing their spots to fanatics, the new terminology will be 'Trumped'.

GOP establishment does NOT want Trump infecting/being associated with GOP policy positions like tax cuts for the wealthy and systemic financial and environmental deregulation. That's where you're seeing some of the pushbackk from GOP establishment types. Paul Ryan does not want his healthcare plan to be associated with Trump's dismal approval rating.

Ultimately, the white nationalists shaping Trump's presidency and world view are not in lock-step with establishment GOP politicians, ESPECIALLY leadership.

Paul Ryan is basically an anarcho-capitalist, a free-market anarchist at heart. White Nationalists are by nature hostile to this landscape as at their core they are about the preservation of white labour, a cringe worthy stalagmite of socialism.

There are deep, deep divisions within the GOP on how to exert control over the increasingly desperate portion of their base, white men, who are looking for someothing--anything-- that might ease their suffering. To these white men it is becoming increasingly obvious that standard GOP policy platforms like low taxes for the rich and a puncher's chance for health coverage simply are not doing anything for these increasingly desperate males, and they are turning on core conservatism in favour of, in their eyes, a more practical application of what they really want: socialism for whites only.

Paul Ryan doesn't represent these interests, and the more time he pretends to be a can-do politician from the fantasy reagan years, the more he'll be regarded as a race traitor to the voters of Appalachia and the southern gulf coast where the GOP heartlland resides.