03-08-2017, 12:30 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Stupid article.
I especially enjoyed "And new coach Glen Gulutzan has one very important thing going for him: he's not Bob Hartley, who was either the worst or second-worst coach in the league for years, depending on how you feel about Patrick Roy."
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03-08-2017, 12:36 PM
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#22
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Problem with that is a lot of other teams could say the same thing. 5 or 6 wins is not minor. It's usually the difference between playoffs and no playoffs for average to bad teams.
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Please tell me which teams could find themselves in the hunt for the Division lead if only they had started the season with a .500 record.
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03-08-2017, 12:53 PM
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#23
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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I'm gonna have to eat some crow if this Gulutzan guy keeps getting these sorts of results.
And Roy was way worse than Hartley as a coach.
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03-08-2017, 01:19 PM
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#24
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: ...the bench
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
Must say I am not really a fan of their style of writing. I get that VICE is trying to sound hip, but that punchy style doesn't work.
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This.
Blog post quality. Pretty poor article overall.
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03-08-2017, 01:26 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Except the point is that they aren't an average to bad team. They are a good team that got off to a terrible start. So the comment is valid because if they didn't get off to a bad start, they would be chasing SJ for the division lead, just like many people thought they would before the season started.
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I agree with this. This is a good team, which made the start of the season that much more frustrating to watch.
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03-08-2017, 01:39 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
Must say I am not really a fan of their style of writing. I get that VICE is trying to sound hip, but that punchy style doesn't work.
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I hate vice. Soo cringy
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03-08-2017, 01:54 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
Must say I am not really a fan of their style of writing. I get that VICE is trying to sound hip, but that punchy style doesn't work.
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VICE is still treading on the name that they initially made for themselves years ago but its largely over-hyped garbage at this point.
And you'll not that I didnt brand them as garbage journalism because 'journalism' still actually means something.
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03-08-2017, 01:59 PM
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#28
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Stampede Corral
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A Vice article without a bunch of churlish cursing, f-bombs etc.? What's the world coming to?
I hate Vice, tbqh.
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03-08-2017, 02:20 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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So the Vice narrative is that the Flames are a very meh team in a meh division riding a hot streak? Maybe, but equally plausible is that they are a very good team that had a horrible start. If they provided the stats for the last 50 games, I think that would give a pretty good indication of which is correct.
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03-08-2017, 02:44 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Berlin, Germany
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VICE Sports - How the Red Hot Calgary Flames Turned Their Season Around
The article almost comes off as "Hang on, the Flames exist and have fans?" Also, I hate Vice. Their attempt to keep things colloquial to a fault in their articles make them almost unbearable to read.
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03-08-2017, 02:44 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Barnet - North London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
I'm gonna have to eat some crow if this Gulutzan guy keeps getting these sorts of results.
And Roy was way worse than Hartley as a coach.
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You are not alone.
There is going to be a serious run on crow if this keeps up.
Now can someone pass me a wing?
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03-08-2017, 02:57 PM
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#32
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Please tell me which teams could find themselves in the hunt for the Division lead if only they had started the season with a .500 record.
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Please show me where the beginning of the season matters more than the middle of the season.
Teams go through slumps. Some in the beginning, some in the middle (Montreal) and some in the end (St Louis).
We have been one of the most fortunate teams injury wise as well as only Gaudreau has missed any significant time out of our top guys.
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03-08-2017, 02:58 PM
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#33
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Join Date: Jul 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
I don't think there are many teams that had as many things go wrong as the Flames did in the first 15 games...I am not even saying a hot start, .500 in their first 15 games would have this team looking pretty good right now.
Next season if they get the goal tending all year, should know the systems, no Wideman...there is really no excuse for this not to be a 100+ point team
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What went wrong in the first 15 games? Aside from not playing well?
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03-08-2017, 03:09 PM
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#34
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryblood
What went wrong in the first 15 games? Aside from not playing well?
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New coach, new system, Monahan missing most of training camp due to injury, Johnny missing all of training camp due to contract negotiation, and yes, goalies and the team not playing well to start the season.
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03-08-2017, 03:16 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Please show me where the beginning of the season matters more than the middle of the season..
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It is not that one period "matters" more than others. The point is twofold: first, there is an abundantly reasonable explanation for why the Flames are a better team than their record indicates. The dramatic changes at the beginning of the season were meaningful. Second, how a team is playing in March is a better indicator of how they might fare in the playoffs than their performance in October and November.
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03-08-2017, 03:25 PM
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#36
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
New coach, new system, Monahan missing most of training camp due to injury, Johnny missing all of training camp due to contract negotiation, and yes, goalies and the team not playing well to start the season.
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Grossmann seeing ice time.
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03-08-2017, 03:28 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
Grossmann seeing ice time.
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Wideman consistently top 4
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03-08-2017, 03:42 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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#3 Jyrki Jokipakka (LD)
#5 Mark Giordano (LD)
#6 Dennis Wideman (RD)
#7 TJ Brodie (RD)
#8 Nicklas Grossmann (LD)
#27 Dougie Hamilton (LD)
#29 Deryk Engelland (RD)
#61 Brett Kulak (LD)
was our opening day defensemen roster. Looking back at it, it's amazing we didn't do worse than 5-10-1 considering everything else that's happened.
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03-08-2017, 03:44 PM
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#39
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First Line Centre
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Vice's standards have plummeted.
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03-08-2017, 03:45 PM
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Pretty terrible article overall.
I commented with:
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The Flames haven't been "mediocre for 5 months" before suddenly getting hot.
They started 5-10-1.
Since that point they have gone 19-10-2, followed by 1 ugly week where they went 0-4-0 (while falling behind each game 4-0), followed by another stretch of 12-2-1.
That's a rough start with a new coach (see: De Boer in SJ, Vigneault in NYR, Trotz in WSH) followed by a 31-16-3 pace the rest of the way. They're the 6th best team since Nov 15, with the 4th best PP and 8th best PK over that span.
Also, replacing Wideman's #4 role with Michael Stone and Jokipakka/Kulak's #6 role with Bartkowski has also lead to another significant improvement during the 7 game win streak.
It's also worth noting the Flames are 26-0-1 (.963) when leading after 2 periods.
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